athlon vs. pentium

[FragMaster1972]

gah  you arnt supposed to add milk  to tea or coffee whats up with you weird peoiple.  its supposed to be black, cold, and bitter as hell.  no frills.

go to dunkin donuts and ask for vanilla chai. then you'll understand.  

lanair-if you have a mac, the best way to get a screenshot would be to destory your computer with a sledge hammer and go buy a nice new compy with an athlon 64 fx.

[Biteme360]

athlon 64 fx.

thats a code phrase for piece of crap

[Hyvry1]

thats a code phrase for piece of crap

I would not say it is crap, especially as it is the best processor available. BUT i would say it is comparible to throwing money into a black hole just to see what would happen.  It is stupid to buy one now, because there are only a few (if any) apps out right now that support 64-bit.  It is better to wait until 64-bit apps come out then with the money you saved to get one you can get an even faster one that is more upto date.
Don't waste your money.


Sorry to hear about that Killumall, hope things improve for you.  Age3 is still beta and is total crap right now.  About the most fun thing happening is (relatively) mass attacks on some people. Thats about it.  I wish sab was back

[matt_the_shark]

don't say those evil things! sab shal never return! MWAHAHAHAHA!

did i say that out loud? :paranoid:

That sucks killumall, hope things turn out for the best and you come back soon.

[FragMaster1972]

thats a code phrase for piece of crap

*cough*

in benchmarks, an athlon 64 fx with a 1 ghz handicap schooled the pentium 4 extreme edition-which was released as a response the the athlon 64--in about 75% of the benchmarks. piece of crap you say? then i'd hate to hear what you have to say about pentiums.....

[Biteme360]

frag, give me actuall scores, and show me where i can find it, who did it, the machines they used, etc.

[Hyvry1]

A CPU and a game benchmark, i think it is clear who the winner is.
 

[Biteme360]

ok, lets look at that, first, what were the rest of the stats of the computers those tests were run on?

why is there an amd athon processor image on the upper right of both of those pictures?

what is the link to the sit you got those from?

you can't take random information at face value, anyone with a spreadsheet could make that

and 3DMark has different parts to the test i believe, there's many different programs thats used in it, then one overall mark that comes from a genearl score throught

how about hyper-threading? were the applications used to test the processors able to use hyper-threading?

i'll try and find some random spreadsheets of myown that will go here:

AND OH MY GOD I JUST NOTICED THIS, THOSE P4's were being run on 200 fsb's, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT most run at 800 FSB right now, mine is a year old and runs at 533

[FragMaster1972]

See the tomshardware logo? Those are from www.tomshardware.com -- a site that is *well* known to be biased in favor of intel. Either way, give me to late tonight to find the magazine I saw it in. They listed the full configuration for both systems they used (and i assure you, the ones I'm thinking of were using an 800mhz bus) and the pentium 4 EE lost in most.

[Biteme360]

http://www.digital-daily.com/cpu/athlon64fx-p4ee



















AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT that Hyvry1 cut out the fact that the black athlon was overclocked

[Hyvry1]

P4 EE is the newest processor, why not test it against AMD's latest the FX-53, not the FX-51.
The AMD logo in the corner is to state the review type, in this case it is the FX-53 review from tomshardware.com
Maybe i should cut the o/c one out, the FX-53 still beats it.

I am very sure the 200fsb is a typo, the P4 would not even register as 3.4GHz EE if it wasn't.

tomshardware is one of the or maybe the most reputable benchmark people, they always give unbiased reliable information.  valve went to tomshardware to do there HL2 benchmarks, many companies work with tomshardware.  Tomshardware sponsor many events and pre-launch games.

I used the CPU bench because that tests the CPU mostly.  

link: http://www.tomshardware.com

The system set-up:
Intel:
Pentium 4 Extreme Edition 3.4 GHz (2 MB L3-Cache)
Asus P4C800-E Deluxe
Asus 9800xt 128Mb
Corsair 1Gb RAM DDR400
DX9.0b
WinXPpro

AMD:
Athlon FX-53 (2400 MHz 1MB L2 cache)
Asus SK8V
Asus 9800XT 128Mb
Corsair 1Gb RAM DDR400
DX9.0b
WinXPpro

[Biteme360]

P4 EE is the newest processor, why not test it against AMD's latest the FX-53, not the FX-51.

probably the FX-53 was not out when they did their benchmarks

the only people i completely trust for benchmarks is Maximum PC, and unfortunately they don't have their test results online.

[Hyvry1]

You need to save the image then upload it or it will mess up like it has for you.

I am more interested in games and 3D performance for high-end CPUs, if i wanted to run MS Word i would just use a 300MHz CPU.

[Biteme360]

for the graphics benchmark the P4 won

as well as audio, video, and application

the newest P4 had a surprisingly terrible score in games, worse than previous p4's so i'm thinking it may have some bugs that need to be worked out, applications is much more than just word, most people don't bother with multiple computers and the p4 shines in everything but games, unfortunately i don't have the one source i trust for benchmarks infront of me, or within walking distance, and i'm not going back to my house just to start quoting fps

and i would like to point out, the previous grading system for the athlons, 3200+, 3400+, etc., was souch a load of crap, it's about time they grew up  

[Hyvry1]

Yeah i agree with that, but the one thing that makes the FX a better choice is that for a price of 1 P4 3.4EE system you could build a dual FX system and that would beat any of those systems listed.