Gay marriage

[underruler]

So, I've been having this dilemma in my head whether I'm for gay marriage or against.  I am for civil union for same sex couples, but recently my "friend" called me ignorant for believing what I do.  I'd just like to hear your guys' opinion about the subject.

Reference: how this got started

Anyway, the guy that commented on the very bottom is my "friend" that I'm talking about.

[Perdition]

Now he's being ignorant.  Most religions are against the practice of homosexuality so if they're fucking someone of the same sex they're going against your religion.  If they're against it why would they want to be married under it?  Say they don't care to be married under god or not, than why be married at all?  These days companionship can be kept or broken almost as easily if you're married versus just shacking up.  I just don't see the point unless you want to have kids or you want to have sex without "sinning".  And neither of those really apply to gay people(atleast they shouldn't).

[Guest:SS]

You're right - if a religion is specifically against something, then you can't just pick and choose what you want to agree with - you're either of that religion or you're following something different.

As for whether the Bible is actually against Gay marriage, that's probably all down to interpretation - I've not read anything specifically banning it, but I haven't read the whole thing either.

[RipperRoo]

Its unfair disallowing people who love each other to become married, no matter what race or sex, or in Moles case, breed.

[mole]

You're right - if a religion is specifically against something, then you can't just pick and choose what you want to agree with - you're either of that religion or you're following something different.

such a person doesnt exist

i have nothing against gar marriage, but i gain nothing from siding, frankly i just dont care. the next stage will be to ask me whether abortion is wrong? of course it isnt, for you morally willed then yes i understand you see them as human beings and having rights, but it is the mothers decision; no one elses.

you cant say its wrong in the eyes of god. if you believe in god you believe god wrote the book of life in which he prophesised all things and all events to come before creating the world. so he created gay people.

though being gay is an abomination to the species, gay people dont procreate so gay people do not add another generation to the species and defeat the underlying purpose of life.

or in Moles case, breed.

if a man or women wants to marry an animal then so be it, ill just give the same reasons, though i may have somthign to gain.

[Guest:SS]

Its unfair disallowing people who love each other to become married, no matter what race or sex, or in Moles case, breed.

I completely agree.
But if a religion forbids something then you cannot be in that religion and still do it.
So if gay people want to get married, they cannot do it through the Christian religion.

the next stage will be to ask me whether abortion is wrong? of course it isnt, for you morally willed then yes i understand you see them as human beings and having rights, but it is the mothers decision; no one elses.

Abortion as a concept cannot be explicitly right or wrong. Killing innocents is wrong, but killing to save your own life isn't (necessarily).
As for who's decision - it should be that of the mother and father (except in cases of rape).

you cant say its wrong in the eyes of god. if you believe in god you believe god wrote the book of life in which he prophesised all things and all events to come before creating the world. so he created gay people.

Yup.
Christians would probably argue that Satan created gay people, and/or that God wanted to create free will.
That is of course a pile of crap, though.

[mole]

but then it begs the question if god created everything then he must have created satan and having given him the powers to make gay people for a reason, such a vicious circle the bible

[Saladin]

i still don't see the problem with gay marriage and frankly i probably never will. They're human and obviously deserve the same rights as everyone else. Denying them this right is discrimination. I agree wholeheartedly with Ripper


And I must say under, i would probably say the same thing that that kid posted if I was in a bad mood because frankly so many people abuse the concept of marriage that it's just a crock now

[mole]

its less abuse more misconcieve. movies tell us marriage is a wonderful thing where two people get together save each others lives and go down to the church 2 weeks later for a ceremony. whereas in realitly these things should take years, where people should know each other inside out (if you pardon the pun) before tieing the knot

[Lord Lanair]

but then it begs the question if god created everything then he must have created satan and having given him the powers to make gay people for a reason, such a vicious circle the bible

God didn't "create" Satan, nor did he specifically make some people gay.  I think it was their choice, and since we have free will (and are not predestined) they chose that path.

According to the Orthodox (but probably Catholic too) Church, the main purpose of marriage is to create offspring that will continue the faith and serve God.  Since gay couples cannot do that, it is considered unnatural.  Even so, I don't consider gayness a major sin (and no one will be damned because of it), and gay people should be allowed to have civil unions, but NOT marriages.  Yes, I do see a difference in the two.

[underruler]

I don't believe in marriage.

[Arkanor]

I don't personally care one way or another so long as it doesn't affect me, but on a philosophical level I have to agree with Lanair.  If a relationship can't produce offspring, it isn't natural, and if it's not natural, it's not 'right'.  Maybe I'll say more later if I have time... rushed right now.

[Guest]

God didn't "create" Satan, nor did he specifically make some people gay.  I think it was their choice, and since we have free will (and are not predestined) they chose that path.

According to the Orthodox (but probably Catholic too) Church, the main purpose of marriage is to create offspring that will continue the faith and serve God.  Since gay couples cannot do that, it is considered unnatural.  Even so, I don't consider gayness a major sin (and no one will be damned because of it), and gay people should be allowed to have civil unions, but NOT marriages.  Yes, I do see a difference in the two.

nah, according to the catholic church being gay is fine and natural but acting on it is the sin.   It's kind of like how some people are born with physical or mental issues to struggle with gay people have to struggle with not acting on their gayness.  Atleast that's what I was told.    

[Guest]

but then it begs the question if god created everything then he must have created satan

Yup, which is where the second part comes in: "that God wanted to create free will."

See...

God didn't "create" Satan ... it was their choice, and since we have free will ... they chose that path.

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If a relationship can't produce offspring, it isn't natural, and if it's not natural, it's not 'right'.

On the contrary, it could be argued that being gay is entirely natural and right - that producing gay people is the chosen method of some Higher Being to decrease the massive over-crowding problems we currently have on this planet, without resorting to floods & volcanos...

[mole]

its idealised as a faulty gene and a defect