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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2005, 01:06:30 PM » |
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If it's not what we'd expect then tell us what it is!  Gah. Basically, I'm... romantically involved, shall we say, with a Witness. Her family are dead-set on my conversion, and what's left of mine is dead-set against it. Although I'd have a hell of a job to believe it anyway. She's as logical about things as I am, and so we've agreed that I'm going to draw up an argument against religion - essentially proving via philosophy that there isn't a god. Although the burden of proof is actually in their court, but I'm still going to try it anyway. For those who don't know, when a witness leaves the religion, they're totally shunned by the rest of them. And they disapprove of mixing, far less romancing, people who aren't witnesses - so her entire circle of friends, such as it is, are witnesses as well. So if I do convince her that there isn't actually any sort of god or afterlife (and they even deny evolution), thus proving the whole shebang groundless, it'll turn her life upside down. Which is probably the reason they created the shunning policy, as a deterrant to leaving - it's an overgrown cult.  Some further reading. |
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2005, 03:32:05 PM » |
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Eeek. Can't think of any advice or anything, but goodluck!
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Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming
defiance with the last breath, to spit in the Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day.
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2005, 02:47:32 AM » |
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The neutrality of this article is disputed. ROFLMAO LOL sorry y0, but this is the sort of sh...stuff that takes far too much understanding of history/myth in order to understand properly. In my limited understanding and opinion, jehovah's witnesses are right above seventh day adventists on the list of crazy christianlit religions... Maybe it's just because it's evangelical... |
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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2005, 01:17:55 AM » |
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In my limited understanding and opinion, jehovah's witnesses are right above seventh day adventists on the list of crazy christianlit religions... Maybe it's just because it's evangelical... No, they're nutters all. The whole thing hinges around social pressure and manipulation - the evangelising is only a small part of it. We've agreed that I'll present the argument when she's finished her A-levels, otherwise. Well, she wants to be told now, but I suspect that's partly because she doesn't like the idea of not knowing something. And I suppose it says a fair bit about my mental state at the moment that I'm discussing all this. But if anyone has any evidence against god, or witnesses, or religion in general really, could you post it? Occam's razor, the problem of evil, religous diversity, anything will help. Cheers. |
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2005, 02:08:27 AM » |
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all this stuff has been discussed and argued before, please dont set it off again. were all so opinionated here we could make a PHD thesis for athiesm
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Yiff Hunter says:
and the last question do u get a sudden eye twicth and shudder wen i say :
CLEAN?
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2005, 04:50:47 AM » |
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*growl* Atheists = evil! :angry:
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- I'm scissors. Nerf rock. Paper's fine.
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2005, 05:50:17 AM » |
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all this stuff has been discussed and argued before, please dont set it off again. were all so opinionated here we could make a PHD thesis for athiesm Isn't religion all opinion anyway? (Except in the eyes of the religious...) |
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2005, 11:25:52 AM » |
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all this stuff has been discussed and argued before, please dont set it off again. were all so opinionated here we could make a PHD thesis for athiesm Apologies, I wasn't aware of any such discussion. And a thesis is essentially what I'm trying to write. |
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2005, 03:17:20 PM » |
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Took me a while to figure out what mole was talking about. Here's the thread: http://www.bpsite.co.uk/forums/index.php?a...t=ST&f=2&t=2049Might be some useful stuff in there. |
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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2005, 03:56:14 PM » |
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This site has tonnes of religious discussions. Might find some use there.
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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2005, 06:27:30 PM » |
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you can probably figure about the point that gets cyclicar so you wont want to read all of it
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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2005, 10:34:04 PM » |
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That thread that was here is a good example of why the sane avoid arguing with the religious.. they ignore the thrust of your point, attempt to condescend, and make shit up.
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2005, 08:13:36 PM » |
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Hey Matt, you just described politicians!
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« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2005, 01:06:13 AM » |
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« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2005, 11:05:53 AM » |
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Hey Matt, you just described politicians! And lawyers. To those it concerns - thanks for the links. They're much appreciated.  |
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