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Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: ElvenDemoness on January 11, 2004, 07:25:05 PM
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Some in your alliance may have notice some attacks from players such as LadyofLight, Bofor, and NWDuneAuron. This is because you are an alliance of filthy, disgusting orcs, and frankly, The Great Alliance does not tolerate them. So congratulations, we've decided to declare war. On you. See you in the battlefield.


(Just to clarify - this is an official declaration of war from the TGA leadership; I have the authority within TGA to authorise this.)


what kind of crap is this??????

you want war because we are orcs? well guess what we are not JUST orcs and we have many powerfull friends so now    you must decide if this is what you really want.

we took down lordstriker {for a short time} we can sure as hell handle the likes of you.

think long and hard this is your only chance, if you forfiet we will assume you temporarily lost your fishing mind and let you live, if you continue your top guys will be ruined for the rest of age  2.

i await your desicion.!

sighned

orc army and friends of.......



Edited to clarify the quote.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 11, 2004, 07:41:05 PM
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we took down lordstriker {for a short time} we can sure as hell handle the likes of you.

Alone? Cough. No. That was the concerted effort of at least 10 alliances, and a lot of random unaffliated people. TGA was one of those alliances. Try again please.

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if you continue your top guys will be ruined for the rest of age 2.

How, pray tell? You think mass attacks are *that* effective? Yawn. Even if they were, dont you think we can do the same?

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you want war because we are orcs?

Yep. Go read our core policies. TGA is an anti-orc alliance. Have a nice day.

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we have many powerfull friends so now you must decide if this is what you really want.

Oh trust me; it is.



See you on the battlefield.

Bye now,
Sachiel - Surely you can come up with better arguments than those?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: opperdude on January 11, 2004, 08:19:30 PM
:o they're coming to get us!!! :o hide!!!


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: ns33 on January 11, 2004, 08:58:52 PM
From that note, it seems they have a lot of powerful people...






Can I help? Pleeeeze?  ^_^


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 11, 2004, 10:33:44 PM
Feel free. Ask LadyOfLight to give you some hitlinks and things.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: G1lbert on January 11, 2004, 10:56:06 PM
*sniffs*

this is sooo bringing back good memories... Xyph, are you there?  :P

have fun y'all!

 :P  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 11, 2004, 10:58:15 PM
Hes dead man... LET HIM REST MAN, HES DEAD.

Ahem. Didnt know you still checked this place, gil.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 11, 2004, 11:30:44 PM
xyphs alive I dont think he checks the forum anymore tho. his computer crashed.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Biteme360 on January 12, 2004, 12:30:55 AM
fug the memories fug the orc's and fug their aliance, i'm already being 5X1ed every day, whats a few more morons hitting on my walls  :orcdie:  :sword:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: ns33 on January 12, 2004, 01:43:12 AM
You know, I think my reaction wouldnt have been so negative if she hadnt made an attempt at swearing and that attitude. Yes, I go out and act like an asshole, but I dont do it on behalf of my alliance. Perhaps you just GAVE a reason for TGA to go to war with you?  :huh:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 12, 2004, 02:45:59 AM
bring it on then orc


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 12, 2004, 04:41:17 AM
To hell with the orcs.  I say we should have exterminated them a lot earlier.   :orcdie:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: ethraelur on January 12, 2004, 07:52:02 PM
Oh, so do we not have allies?

They have allies, we should give up guys, we can't stand against an alliance with allies.

*shudders*


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: opperdude on January 12, 2004, 07:53:59 PM
hmmm i doub whether their alliance bond have ever been tested... mebbe this is a good way to find they're alone actually, or to find out thay actually do have cool alliances


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: AradonShilo on January 13, 2004, 01:21:02 AM
Hahahaha. This is so funny. The Great Alliance taking on Orc Army. How long have you guys been inactive. You guys are screwd.
So why are you guys doing this? I think I know. New Orc Order is too powerful for you so you decided to attack us. Hahaha. Orc Army is stronger then you think. We are gonna wipe the floor with yas.
You guys are gonna be surprised. You have know idea who our allys are and who our members are. So I guese you got our clicklist and that is how you know who to attack. Proabably attacking the ones with the most clicks. Well go to MysticOrc and hit me all you want. I deleted my account and created knew one.
And one more thing. You thought you would attack an Orc alliance and noone would come to its aid. You just may have brought the most powerfulest Orc Alliance into this war and I am not talking about Orc Army. Be prepared.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: matt_the_shark on January 13, 2004, 01:26:54 AM
*blinks*

*laughs*

*laughs some more*

*yawns*

^that should sum it up.  we still want war, bring it on  :archer:  :sword:  :orcdie:

oh, and where did you ever get the idea that we are inactive? we have been one of the best alliances out there since near when the game started.  

/me thinks you got your information mixed up :)


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: SS on January 13, 2004, 01:32:27 AM
Most powerfulest? I think I'm gonna have to change my underwear.

If your allies be as great as you claim, then tell us please: What is their name?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 13, 2004, 02:39:05 AM
after all we do have the same interests as N.O.O. in bringing down Relentless so pray tell who are your allies? Besides I wouldn't care if you had all the Orcs against us. This alliance is dedicated to destroying the orc menace. Wheter it will be 3,000 players against us, we would still fight


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 13, 2004, 03:07:18 AM
You have the same interests as NOO? Really? You ally with an Army of orcs then attack another Alliance of orcs with many members who are also in NOO? Well, let me tell you about interests....

I started the OSA... yes ME! Do you know how many members I had in two weeks? (Me neither.... a bunch). This was BEFORE NOO declared war against Relentless.... I was a member of Elite and NOO.... I helped bridge the gap between Elite and NOO... yes ME! I WILL claim that... cause I DID! (not taking all the credit... but, I did have a large part in that). I was the one who got stuff together enough to pull alliances together to work to take down LordStriker... I was the one who launched the very first attack the OSA did... and was responsible for ichybon's return attack going from 119mil to uner 200K. Don't forget what we did to Boogie_bear and Dr_Kirth. (You can see it here http://bubbateeth.proboards24.com/index.cg...gi?board=loggy) (http://bubbateeth.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=loggy)). The Coming Storm did not exist until I started OSA and people saw how powerful bringing alliances together could be.

I am STILL a member of NOO... and I am one of the leaders of Orc Army... we have a chain for Age 3 with over 30 members currently in it... and we will be under NOO's leader, Errtu.... It was an Orc Army member who got multiple logins to The Coming Storm sight through various sources... and I am the one who gave some of those logins to Elite and NOO leaders (amongst others).

So, you think we don't have NOO to help us? Let's see... cause I can just as easily find a powerful commander for Age 3 and put Orc Army underneath him/her if NOO is not willing to help... (but my guess is, your alliance is not worth Errtu loosing having Orc Army under him).

Orc Army has bargaining power.... all those alliance leaders I gave a password to The Coming Storm... I think they will join in... if not, I simply post on The Coming Storm with the account... give them a 'Hello from EvilTracy'... and the account will be deleted... i'll just use one of the other accounts for my purposes... and those alliance leaders will loose their access... now, i'm sure I won't even have to do this.... I have members from all over that like me... why? Cause I have helped many people in the past... and asked for nothing in Return.  I helped out one of LordStikers members... (yes, the 'enemy') and found a guy who was selling off his whole account... I let the member from Striker Clan in on it... and allowed him to take over 10 mil to get sab immune and then some... hah, I even have a handful of Striker Clan members who will help me. Let's not forget the Pratoreans.... yes, many of them don't care for me... however, I have also helped some of them and forwarned them of mass attacks and even given them links to posts that helped save their arse. Dogs Of War... again, I have forwarned their leader on a number of occassions, and I speak with her on a somewhat regular basis.... oh, and let's not forget the Relentless allies who KNOW WHICH ACCOUNT I use... who do not rat me out and have even helped me with attacks... and Shylore... didn't she used to be a member here? Yes, she told me you guys kicked her out... ha, she even had some of her alliance help us out with a pest... and i have helped her out in return....

So, when you say we don't have backing... you don't know what your talking about... we may not have some of those entire alliances behind us... but, I have handfulls of people from everywhere that will help out... and that will make it tough for you to target anybody. So, when  you do your body counts and gold stolen counts, don't forget to include all the non orcs that will be attacking you also.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 13, 2004, 03:17:56 AM
we didnt want a resume from you.   when did war get so complicated?  why can we just kill eachother and have a good time?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 13, 2004, 03:19:30 AM

btw i'm speaking for myself here

if N.O.O would attack then i would have to attack them back, same with the other alliances. Are you sure they would back you. They might have agreed and maybe helped you out, but remember in the time of war or greatest need you find out who your true friends are. I'm also not sure about all your allies since you seem to be going on an egotrip there. I really don't care if all of damn Chaos was against us, if there is a war and i'm being 5x1'd by over 1,000 people i would still fight on


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: SS on January 13, 2004, 03:23:22 AM
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Wow, if this was an ego-war you could take out the whole of KoC in an instant. The only thing bigger than your ego seems to be the number of full-stop's you've got in that post.

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when you say we don't have backing
Yes, when do we say that? I don't see anyone here saying you don't have backing.
How about you stop yapping and just get on with this war. If you're as wonderful as you say you are then I'm sure it will all be over quickly.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Biteme360 on January 13, 2004, 03:30:16 AM
True, if they could back up all that talk we would be dead already.  Evil, i gave up reading that after about first paragraph, i realy don't care that much about what you have to say, next time, please get to the point, so that i'll actually read it... and the link man "The board you are trying to access does not exist." that is great, guess i'm doing something wrong, but still thats just funny that that came up.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 13, 2004, 03:37:58 AM
yeah it does say that. We all know you created the OSA Evil, but you don't have to make a point of it and say how great you were because you thought of it. The link doesn't help because we already know you were a leader and know you look foolish to us because you gave us a bad link


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 13, 2004, 03:43:25 AM
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yeah it does say that. We all know you created the OSA Evil, but you don't have to make a point of it and say how great you were because you thought of it. The link doesn't help because we already know you were a leader and know you look foolish to us because you gave us a bad link
You have to register to see it... I would have assumed you could have figured that out... should I write a post about how to register on proboards?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 13, 2004, 03:44:56 AM
randomness from a weirdo: eviltracy thanks for registering.  i hate when people run around as guests.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 13, 2004, 03:47:08 AM
so why didn't you just give a link to the front of the boards itself instead of a certain forum we couldn't access? and whats with the passive aggressive here? You suddenly come here and jump down our throats then act passive aggressive


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 13, 2004, 03:53:37 AM
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Wow, if this was an ego-war you could take out the whole of KoC in an instant. The only thing bigger than your ego seems to be the number of full-stop's you've got in that post.


Yes, when do we say that? I don't see anyone here saying you don't have backing.
How about you stop yapping and just get on with this war. If you're as wonderful as you say you are then I'm sure it will all be over quickly.

As for starting the war... here... (I posted a few extras... figured you guys may want to contact them and beg them to help you... as you may need it)

2 hours ago tantanoid_TGA 11,351 Gold stolen 1 14 15 29,560,320 135,895,582 details
2 hours ago d1skreet 1,578 Gold stolen 1 23 25 115,346,268 135,253,132 details
2 hours ago d1skreet 25,136 Gold stolen 1 48 46 115,297,839 137,430,363 details
2 hours ago d1skreet 24,492 Gold stolen 1 43 42 116,108,742 137,701,672 details
2 hours ago d1skreet 20,670 Gold stolen 1 74 72 116,129,514 137,522,490 details
2 hours ago d1skreet 15,610 Gold stolen 1 55 52 115,330,215 138,669,858 details
7 hours ago smi256 2,101 Gold stolen 1 10 14 34,689,435 137,525,613 details
7 hours ago smi256 1,460 Gold stolen 1 9 13 34,719,427 137,040,352 details
7 hours ago smi256 3,707 Gold stolen 1 12 15 34,156,155 137,494,826 details
1 day ago YippySkippy 839 Gold stolen 1 0 0 2,210,640 136,186,162 details
1 day ago YippySkippy 1,113 Gold stolen 1 0 0 2,196,000 136,849,046 details
1 day ago YippySkippy 1,177 Gold stolen 1 0 0 2,176,713 137,812,158 details
1 day ago YippySkippy 916 Gold stolen 1 1 1 2,332,530 137,506,402 details
1 day ago YippySkippy 1,585 Gold stolen 1 0 0 2,310,525 137,301,573 details
3 days ago ONNIPOTENTE 3,193 Gold stolen 1 11 3 12,696,232 131,576,167 details
3 days ago ONNIPOTENTE 3,570 Gold stolen 1 22 6 13,008,971 131,984,013 details
3 days ago ONNIPOTENTE 4,191 Gold stolen 1 22 6 13,344,438 133,291,001 details
3 days ago Kaginava 1,254 Gold stolen 1 0 0 291 135,047,310 details
3 days ago muietempetzapu 2,984 Gold stolen 1 3 2 10,321,473 135,052,672 details
3 days ago Killa420 2,237 Gold stolen 1 4 1 3,552,403 135,419,561 details
3 days ago Killa420 2,522 Gold stolen 1 1 0 3,569,898 135,240,855 details
3 days ago Killa420 3,169 Gold stolen 1 1 0 3,716,845 135,071,283 details
3 days ago Brando2003007 1,840 Gold stolen 1 3 0 2,108,487 134,869,020 details
3 days ago Brando2003007 2,953 Gold stolen 1 1 0 2,119,164 137,787,978 details
3 days ago Brando2003007 1,850 Gold stolen 1 3 0 2,135,028 135,786,318 details
3 days ago fudidu 5,537 Gold stolen 1 17 3 13,296,868 135,166,890 details
3 days ago fudidu 284 Gold stolen 1 34 7 13,711,266 134,471,550 details
3 days ago fudidu 290 Gold stolen 1 37 7 13,337,904 134,420,100 details
3 days ago muietempetzapu 3,360 Gold stolen 1 7 5 10,445,709 135,995,265 details
3 days ago muietempetzapu 3,729 Gold stolen 1 7 5 10,738,935 135,912,753 details
 
Hmm... I do think there was some doubt about our allies actually helping us... here... try this... move your mouse to the far right... see that bar? Hold your mouse down on it and scroll up now... you just might find some posts that hinted towards a lack of true allies.... maybe something about how NOO won't help either.

As for my ego... well, I looked it up and the dictionary pointed me to the word 'conceit'. One of the definitions was pride. So, if I take pride in telling the truth in what I have done... yeah, I have an ego I guess don't I?


 


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 13, 2004, 03:59:30 AM
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so why didn't you just give a link to the front of the boards itself instead of a certain forum we couldn't access? and whats with the passive aggressive here? You suddenly come here and jump down our throats then act passive aggressive
I posted that specific link because that was the war hall, where mass attacks were posted. I didn't wanna work anyones minds too hard and make them actually SEARCH for what I was talking about.

And don't talk to me about jumping down throats... had your leaders taken the time to research Orc Army,  you would see that with me being the leader, i've done more to take down LS then most people have. And then you claim some weak excuse of not targeting NOO because they helped with LS... hah, yeah, I'll jump down your throats... cause you picked Orc Army cause you thought we were weak. So, yeah, expect a bit of hostility... it's war right?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 13, 2004, 03:59:33 AM
first all all part of your post is in the quote so it's hard to follow. Second of all how does that prove that your allies are helping you? Third of all you keep on using those damn fullstops, Fourthly you are still being passive aggressive Fifth of all I have this definition
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An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
You exemply that in your post. Good night

and i never said that. The person who went on those boards did. Hostility is ok, but passive aggresive means the person is unbalanced.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 13, 2004, 04:01:09 AM
Hey, I just noticed something... look at the date I first signed up here. Hmmm, that was about the time DoW came asking you guys for help, but if I remember right, you cowared at the thought of fighting NOO.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Biteme360 on January 13, 2004, 04:03:57 AM
evil, we don't care what you've done, and stop double posting, god, someone make those into one or something, dude can't even use the edit button


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 13, 2004, 04:04:23 AM
cowered??? you seem like Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly in trying to spin things. We didn't go with them because frankly they seemed like arrogant hotshots who were wasting space on the board. just like you in fact, good night and i'll see you on the battlefield


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: SS on January 13, 2004, 04:10:59 AM
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Hmm... I do think there was some doubt about our allies actually helping us... here... try this... move your mouse to the far right... see that bar? Hold your mouse down on it and scroll up now... you just might find some posts that hinted towards a lack of true allies.... maybe something about how NOO won't help either.
Okay, I will try to go nice and slowly for you so that you can understand. Rule number one of being patronising: Don't speak crap. Like you just did.
I almost recommended to you this book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764508385/qid=1073962809//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl14/002-5552423-7722424?v=glance&s=books&n=507846), but I fear it might be a bit too advanced. Perhaps this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0028642309/ref=pd_sbs_b_3/002-5552423-7722424?v=glance&s=books) would be a little more suitable, though you might need to ask a grown up to help.

Yes, there was doubt about the validity of your allies; there still is; there will be until any of them actually act. What there was an absolute lack of, however, would be any posts claiming you have no allies.


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As for my ego... well, I looked it up and the dictionary pointed me to the word 'conceit'. One of the definitions was pride. So, if I take pride in telling the truth in what I have done... yeah, I have an ego I guess don't I?
Of course you do. Most people have an ego. What most people do not have is such an inflated ego that were it a solid entity half the earth would be plunged into darkness.
There is not much wrong with pride in achievement, but there is a lot wrong with being overproud. Plus it makes you look stupid.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 13, 2004, 04:15:25 AM
unless you already are stupid and no matter what you do makes you look stupider. *points at self* I am a wonderful example of that. :D


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 13, 2004, 04:40:08 AM
:rolleyes:

Even you could understand parts of those books. LOL  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 13, 2004, 04:43:09 AM
:hmmm:   hey now. I'll have you know that *falls asleep on and drools on keyboard*  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: PandaBear007 on January 13, 2004, 05:41:38 AM
sounds like a lot of talk to me. I want to see the action now  :P  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 13, 2004, 05:51:07 AM
pandabear(cute name) quickly edit your post before you get in trouble for doing a one emote post(if they still enforce that)

or an even better idea we spam to cover that up :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: opperdude on January 13, 2004, 05:45:05 PM
eviltracy, i think i know what ur trying to do, ur trying to make this thing way too complicated so we don't understand this war anymore...
well u can't fool me i'm not gonna vewy long posts if they seem to contain nothing, i'll just attack when i like and wait and see what u people have to take me down (which i personally wouldn't really care about as KoC sux this age, it's better then that i'll look at my rank the day it ends and say, ok ur average ranked, i'm not gonna run around in circles cheering, singing and hugging people for that, i will if i piss off people like u who think they are da bomb and stuff)
and also i'd like know what ur opinion on cookies is, cause if u don't like cheese cookies i think u just gave a lot of people a reason to go to war with u and i laugh at people that read all this crap: MUHAHA!!! gotcha!!! :sheep:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 13, 2004, 06:34:58 PM
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cowered??? you seem like Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly in trying to spin things.
Hey, don't get your ideas from Al Franken. Use some fresh analogies, not somebody elses. I can spout things from books i've read also. Kinda like that moron on that movie "Goodwill Hunting".


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 13, 2004, 06:48:13 PM
What he means to say is that your lies are as convincing as Alastair Campbell's.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: G1lbert on January 13, 2004, 07:58:22 PM
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lies as convincing as Alastair Campbell's.
Ah..  nice one.. totally out of character: Get them the hell out of Iraq.. :hmmm:


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 13, 2004, 11:09:33 PM
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Hey, don't get your ideas from Al Franken. Use some fresh analogies, not somebody elses. I can spout things from books i've read also. Kinda like that moron on that movie "Goodwill Hunting".
why not i believe that. besides if i was quoting Al Franken i woulda added Sean Hannity and Karl Rove in there


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: ns33 on January 14, 2004, 03:59:42 AM
LOL I'm talking with someone named nonya right now on #koctga and this appeared in my attack log

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14     minutes ago     Chargersboy69     Attack defended     1     0     0     101     12,799,041     details
14  minutes ago  Chargersboy69  Attack defended  1  0  0  12,067  12,941,022  details
15  minutes ago  Chargersboy69  Attack defended  1  0  0  142  13,055,274  details
15  minutes ago  Chargersboy69  Attack defended  1  0  0  123  13,126,683  details
15  minutes ago  Chargersboy69  Attack defended  1  0  0  4,126  13,182,732  details
Here's part of our convo:
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<tumbleweed-> i hope my farms are still around
<tumbleweed-> O_O sa rank... dropping... NOOO!!!
<Smi256> aim high weed
<tumbleweed-> and whos been testing my defense?! LOL
<tumbleweed-> some fake account LOL
<Smi256> IM me tumble
* tumbleweed- hopes farms are ready
<Smi256> :Z
<tumbleweed-> hey actually wait for the next turn
<Smi256> can ya log on to AIM tumble?
<tumbleweed-> 69-144-225-121.client.bresnan.net * shawn
<tumbleweed-> nonya on +#koctga
<tumbleweed-> go hide ur ip newbie
<nonya> dont call me a newbie
<tumbleweed-> i'll call you whatever i want LOL
<nonya> really?
<tumbleweed-> LOL
<under> :D
<tumbleweed-> what u wanna do abot it?
<tumbleweed-> gonna mass attack me?
<tumbleweed-> gonna kill my 12m defense?
<nonya> i dont know come to your house and pee in your butt?
<tumbleweed-> gonna kill my mercs?
<tumbleweed-> how about i trace your ip right now and tell everyone where you live? :D
<nonya> LOL
<tumbleweed-> i know that tracer's here somewhere...
<nonya> *presses the blackice button :)
* tumbleweed- needs to fix compy
<tumbleweed-> shawn thinks im scared for some reason ~_~
<tumbleweed-> guess he never met someone this arrogant before ^^
<tumbleweed-> must not be a very social person irl
<nonya> you started talkin shit
<tumbleweed-> me or are you the one losing here?
<tumbleweed-> you threatening first?
<tumbleweed-> you see me backing down?
<tumbleweed-> i dun need to talk no shit to you
<tumbleweed-> all i gotta do is BE here
<fire|special> dont make  game shit personal shit
<nonya> then stop
<tumbleweed-> it aint personal for me
<tumbleweed-> i just like taunting this bitch
<under> STOP THE MADNESS
<nonya> me either never met ya dont know ya, i was just sitting here
<nonya> i dont know why i am a target every 20 minutes...LOL
<tumbleweed-> think about it, who have i NOT taunted the last day
<under> b/c they hate you...
<tumbleweed-> lets see
[insert attack log of failed mass attack here  ]
... etc


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 14, 2004, 04:06:25 AM
nonya is gixxer


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 14, 2004, 05:58:33 AM
Ok I have a question...is there a difference between gixxer and gixxxer?  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 14, 2004, 10:56:29 PM
Not to my knowledge.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 15, 2004, 05:15:38 AM
Does "gixxer" mean anything?  :miffed:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 15, 2004, 05:18:03 AM
umm hippy hater?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 16, 2004, 05:50:37 PM
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Does "gixxer" mean anything?  :miffed:
It means leader in Orc Army  :P  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Elvish_Dude on January 16, 2004, 05:56:18 PM
I just read this and this is the first time I heard of Orc Army. You must be pretty small. The Great Alliance is going to destroy you. Destroying Orc Army is only one step to ridding the world of Orcs.
Long live Elves, Dwarves, and Humans!


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 16, 2004, 05:59:21 PM
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I just read this and this is the first time I heard of Orc Army. You must be pretty small. The Great Alliance is going to destroy you. Destroying Orc Army is only one step to ridding the world of Orcs.
Long live Elves, Dwarves, and Humans!
Ummm, OK. Don't know what to tell ya. I've never heard of TGA before until the Dogs Of War declared war on NOO a while back, and DoW asked you guys if you would like to participate, then the talk about TGA came about in the NOO forum and how they went to war with you guys back in Age 1. But hey, you probably have not heard of Orc Army cause we don't go around picking fights, we just protect our own. (and we started in Mid Oct, so, you could say we are still a very new alliance).


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Elvish_Dude on January 16, 2004, 06:03:26 PM
No. I didn't here about it because it is so small and weak. :cool:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 16, 2004, 06:13:14 PM
Some KOCers are just plain uneducated nowadays.

Brief history lesson, in case you fell asleep in class; TGA has existed since January 2003, Age 0. If you hadnt heard of us until the Dow-NOO incident... I blame ignorance.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 16, 2004, 06:37:26 PM
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Some KOCers are just plain uneducated nowadays.

Brief history lesson, in case you fell asleep in class; TGA has existed since January 2003, Age 0. If you hadnt heard of us until the Dow-NOO incident... I blame ignorance.
Ignorance or lack of spending all my time on GUA forums researching the past?

I don't know why you are trying to flame me. Maybe none of you have never heard of Orc Army because we are fairly new, we don't post much about Orc Army on GUA forums other than our recruiting thread, and cause your not an orc, so why would you bother looking for an orc alliance?

Maybe I have never heard of TGA because like I said, I have not spent much time on GUA looking up the past. None of the talk when I was running the OSA mentioned anything about TGA, there was no talk about TGA on The Coming Storm site, and i'm an orc, so why would I have heard of TGA until you declared war on us? Obviously you can't claim that TGA has been a big name in Age 2.

As far as us being weak, that depends what your judging strength on.   I have 13 names in my logs from TGA (not even sure if every one of them is from TGA)


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Thamior on January 16, 2004, 06:52:20 PM
You're so lucky I deleted my account recently.  I go in kamikaze style and 5x1 everyone on attack lists.  :D


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: opperdude on January 16, 2004, 06:57:40 PM
i think our power is that we enjoy wars :)
and as far as i know we fought 2 wars with NOO (which i think still is the largest orc alliance) in history and we lost none of them (well i don't think there was a clear 'winner' there but i think both sides enjoyed the war) and well we hadn't have an alliance to alliance war so far this age (i don't raelly count mass-wars on relentless and LordStriker, as that was mostly a one sided war)


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: SS on January 16, 2004, 06:59:53 PM
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Ignorance or lack of spending all my time on GUA forums researching the past?
Methinks maybe you should look up what ignorance means.
Actually, I'm in a helpful mood; I'll do it for you: ignorance noun lack of knowledge or awareness.

TGA is and continues to be a major presence within KoC.
Although our GUA presence has dropped in Age2, it is still visible for anyone who cares to look.
You didn't know about TGA because you never checked GUA; you had your head in the sand; you were ignorant.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: opperdude on January 16, 2004, 07:18:13 PM
pssst SS, you get him on his words, and u said age3 and it's still age2 [/whispers]

:music:


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: EvilTracy on January 16, 2004, 07:36:56 PM
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TGA is and continues to be a major presence within KoC.
 
Hmf, I guess major presence is up for each to decide what 'major presence' really means. And yes, let's not play dictionary games, I won't mention you slipping up and calling Age 2 Age 3, I do the same kind of mistakes sometimes.

Is NOO the largest Orc Alliance? Is that based on numbers of (active) members or total SA, or what? How are you judging that? Cause i'm in NOO and Orc Army, if I compare names of people who actively post and names on both clickers, I would not say NOO is the larger of the two? But NOO has bigger players. So, again, you could debate it either way I guess.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: SS on January 16, 2004, 08:12:54 PM
But it is Age3! The KoC admins just labelled it wrongly, honest! :paranoid:


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Thamior on January 16, 2004, 08:52:02 PM
SS is actually kind of right.  Why the hell would there be an Age 0?  LOL  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 16, 2004, 10:46:22 PM
there was but it didn't have spies in it. i don't know why, maybe its the dark ages of KoC?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 16, 2004, 10:51:09 PM
Age 0 was Beta for Age 1. Lasted about a week.

Spies and Mercs were introduced after the hacker attacks early in Age 1.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: smi256 on January 16, 2004, 10:52:58 PM
Age0 was cool! You could kill everyones soldiers.  ya, there weren't any spies, and they didn't have mercs (at first, they added them later), and that was when weapons couoldn't be damaged or sold.  not to mention that the number of weapons you could use wasn't linked to how many soldiers you had  LOL  but it did have the army size rule where you only attack those 5 times yourarmy size, and half your own :rolleyes:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Elvish_Dude on January 17, 2004, 12:16:36 AM
I played age 1 and 2. I think age 1 was better than age 2.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Everous on January 17, 2004, 01:23:13 AM
bull was age 0 a week long...yes it was a test but it was pretty long, nowhere near the length of age 2 and 1 though...

i played from near the start, i still remember i had an army of about 120 at the end of age 0...i was proud of it...

i finished age 1 #74 and in age 2 i've got even more men, I have been in the top ten and most of the age was spent wasting around on the front page. Yet i'm proud of none of these...

sums it up really...age 0 was da bomb

oh yeah...there were never any mercs in age 0 or training. These were added a little while into age 1, those of you who still remember might recall they went down for a long time due to DOS attacks and when they came back the game was quite changed.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 17, 2004, 05:29:55 AM
Sounds like fun.  LOL



Speaking of Age 0, when's FoN ever going to get started?  :P  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 17, 2004, 05:31:13 AM
NEVER!!!! unless we do something drastic.  lanair want to be in on my kidnapping plans?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 17, 2004, 05:36:01 AM
SS, Ev, or someone else?  :D  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 17, 2004, 05:43:51 AM
SS we are going to kidnap him until he does what we want.  why ev?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 17, 2004, 08:21:37 AM
He's also on the creation team, along with ripper and/or mole.  ;)  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 17, 2004, 08:26:33 AM
well  SS first.  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 17, 2004, 10:10:59 AM
FoN is actually moving again.

For those interested: Fate of Nations Placeholder (http://hybridchill.com/nations/)

((That needs updating, btw; We dont really expect it to be open to the general public this quarter))


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: SS on January 17, 2004, 12:56:51 PM
Yeah, at our current rate there's no reason for FoN not to be finished before this year is out, but hopefully we can pick things up and have it active before the summer.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 17, 2004, 01:08:00 PM
Yes and I will be productive and actually dothings that are supposed to be done. :rolleyes:


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Everous on January 17, 2004, 01:28:50 PM
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He's also on the creation team, along with ripper and/or mole.  ;)
thats...not...really...true

i jumped ship a while ago  :o  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 17, 2004, 01:32:53 PM
smart move :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: matt_the_shark on January 18, 2004, 01:20:24 AM
and they caught me trying to sneek onto the ship and kicked me off. :(


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: evilknight on January 18, 2004, 02:38:11 AM
yeah, we've been kinda dead over the past month or so, but now things are starting to move along pretty well.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 18, 2004, 03:24:00 AM
C'mon!  I only have 3 role-playing games I'm addicted to right now!  I NEED MORE!!!  LOL  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: SS on January 18, 2004, 03:34:25 AM
Can we move this FoN talk to a different thread/section please. :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: matt_the_shark on January 18, 2004, 04:36:40 AM
well...we could make a FoN section....and....I CAN BE THE MOD! :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 18, 2004, 05:53:29 AM
No!  ME!!!  I wanna have power!!! :P

SS- where would this go?   LOL  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 18, 2004, 05:55:11 AM
yeah we arnt allowed in the FoN area.  I tried to go in it on rugs account but I didnt know the password :(  maybe you should make an area where we can talk about it. or we could jsut continue to throw it in random places


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Rug on January 18, 2004, 11:44:55 AM
Here. (http://www.bpsite.co.uk/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=1418)


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 18, 2004, 11:50:59 AM
aww I liked just throwing it in there randomly.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: opperdude on January 18, 2004, 12:44:39 PM
yay! it's in my section now!  :P i'm the mod!
the games&gaming section actually is coming to life know :thumbs-up:


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 18, 2004, 12:47:08 PM
dont worry it will die soon enough :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: matt_the_shark on January 18, 2004, 03:54:29 PM
/me takes out his sharp hot brand

yep, it'll die anytime now :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Elvish_Dude on January 19, 2004, 12:37:46 AM
I dont get it :huh:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: KILLUMALL on January 19, 2004, 03:17:27 AM
ummmm did i miss something???
 :sheep:
 


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 19, 2004, 04:52:33 AM
Sharky likes brands...hot brands.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Elvish_Dude on January 19, 2004, 04:12:48 PM
ok :huh:  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 19, 2004, 10:37:52 PM
wow... that is what I call spamming a topic.... it strayed beautifully away from its main point. To say it bluntly
(http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/misc5.jpg)


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Elvish_Dude on January 19, 2004, 11:19:47 PM
cool pic. Is that off of a movie?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 19, 2004, 11:26:36 PM
nice.  but we already knew that we just wanted to see how long the spam could continue before a mod got pissy at us.  your pointing out the obvious is interfearing with this :(

*humps darkstone until he runs away*


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: tommyboy on January 19, 2004, 11:32:40 PM
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nice.  but we already knew that we just wanted to see how long the spam could continue before a mod got pissy at us.  your pointing out the obvious is interfearing with this :(

*humps darkstone until he runs away*
LOL   dam do y'all all say stuff like that


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 19, 2004, 11:49:23 PM
hmm well you'll just have to hang around for a while to see :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Thamior on January 20, 2004, 01:28:25 AM
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cool pic. Is that off of a movie?
Air Force One starring Harrison Ford.  Pretty good movie.  And no, we most definately DO NOT all talk like that.  Only about 70% of the people here.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Saladin on January 20, 2004, 02:36:39 AM
this is an interestng tactic, we should use Fire to scare away the Orc Army, either that or seduce them LOL  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 20, 2004, 03:07:37 AM
Says Tham w/ that sig... O_o :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 20, 2004, 03:20:16 AM
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nice.  but we already knew that we just wanted to see how long the spam could continue before a mod got pissy at us.  your pointing out the obvious is interfearing with this :(

*humps darkstone until he runs away*
That is the second time I have been humped by her.... and I must say, it was painful... so very very painful.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 20, 2004, 03:29:01 AM
Please tell me you're a guy... O_o


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 20, 2004, 04:01:50 AM
aww darkstone you know you like it :P

well they arnt scared off yet so looks like seduction is on my to do  list.  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 20, 2004, 04:43:10 AM
He's probably containing all the joy inside of him b/c he never gets out of the house to get real attention like that...if you don't count strip clubs. =P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 20, 2004, 05:06:25 AM
nah he is too young for strip clubs.  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 20, 2004, 05:12:16 AM
well...it depends you could always sneak into one...OR

Just come to my house :D


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 20, 2004, 05:16:17 AM
People- we're trying to recruit new members, not scare everyone off!  LOL  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 20, 2004, 05:21:24 AM
pfft. lanair if they  have a problem with what we talk about we dont want them hanging around do we?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Lord Lanair on January 20, 2004, 05:22:28 AM
Umm... never mind, seeing as how I just noticed they're the orcs from the other alliance!  LOL  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 20, 2004, 05:25:59 AM
OMG you are LIEK such a genius.  She wasn't humping the new members...I'm thinking that only comes w/ a special request.  :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 20, 2004, 06:45:54 AM
LOL no.  its pretty much a random choosing on my part. :P  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 20, 2004, 12:18:58 PM
meh, I stand  by meh.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Thamior on January 20, 2004, 06:42:56 PM
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Says Tham w/ that sig... O_o :P
I have sigs disabled so I don't have to look at it everytime I post.  I stole it from a movie anyway.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: KILLUMALL on January 20, 2004, 10:49:21 PM
hey even if i was a orc if i heard their was stippers i would instantly quite orc-in-ship and leak all the info and join TGA :P  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: opperdude on January 20, 2004, 10:54:29 PM
killumall, i can't believe u haven't invaded the headquarters yet... go spam up that place!!!


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 20, 2004, 11:17:25 PM
yeah really. you've started spamming inn here and this place isnt much fun for spamming. go to HQ


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: KILLUMALL on January 20, 2004, 11:21:34 PM
THIS ISNT FAIR IM TOO CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone explain it to me in english


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 20, 2004, 11:28:32 PM
ok go Here (http://www.bpsite.co.uk/forums/index.php)  the first  area you see is Head quarters.  that is where most of the nonsense happens go there. and start spamming it up .


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 21, 2004, 12:36:53 AM
yAy!...I was just about to hit on him too :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 12:44:58 AM
what hitting on him?  him who?


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 21, 2004, 01:20:17 AM
KILLUM... :D  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 01:22:05 AM
ah nevermind


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 21, 2004, 01:24:18 AM
As long as it's understood. :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 01:37:17 AM
oh yes and stay away from underruler she is odd  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 21, 2004, 01:56:36 AM
uh...look who's talking...I don't hump people unless they *really* want "it". :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 02:11:49 AM
hehehe I just like saying other people are weird. before you I didnt have anyone to warn people of

and he wanted to be humped he may not admit to it but he deffinatly wanted it :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 21, 2004, 03:56:37 AM
I have decided.... I need a new forum to spam and so here I will spam. so says the darkstone331+1


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 03:57:25 AM
yay.  go to the head quarters thats where all the fun is.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 21, 2004, 05:15:15 AM
yAy...More SPAMMAGE...don't worry darkstone it won't be long before you get some "attention".


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 06:57:10 AM
hey now find your own sexy orc


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 21, 2004, 07:14:34 AM
You have your own orc peons...lemme have one.  Plus I invited him to my house for a private showing anyway. :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 07:31:53 AM
i dont have orc peons I am the peon. :(


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 21, 2004, 04:32:05 PM
On that other game...you were talking about it in the Avatar thread thing...I'm pretty sure...pretty pretty please lemme have him...*gives Fire puppy dog eyes*(not to eat) :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 21, 2004, 07:25:03 PM
na uh you have gixxer


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 21, 2004, 08:40:53 PM
I am no one's sexy orc.... you know no matter I say won't win, so I say meh.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Elvish_Dude on January 21, 2004, 09:36:27 PM
of course you wont win. You are just an orc


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 21, 2004, 10:27:09 PM
nah I can't win this arguement because hell.... I just don't try.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 02:00:05 AM
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na uh you have gixxer
Who said that?  He has a girlfriend.


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I am no one's sexy orc....

so you admit you're sexy? :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 02:33:49 AM
so you bit his penis(only because he  twisted things) but still


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 02:35:02 AM
I don't know what you are talking about... :huh:


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 02:36:00 AM
neither do i  but.  because I foget what I'm talking about too often.  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 02:38:12 AM
Uh...WAIT...I remember that.  I don't know how but people always seem to twist my words into pervy things.  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 02:41:36 AM
good so I'm not as weird as I thought :) (no false memories yet  :D)


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 03:07:26 AM
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<TGA_whore> fast ones?
<Gixxer> hell ya
<TGA_whore> mmm...
<Gixxer> ask fairyfly he must have seen the pic
<TGA_whore> fairyfly?
<Gixxer> you know the little fly bussin around messin up our naughty talk.....LOL
<TGA_whore> he?
<TGA_whore> he = she...
<Gixxer> fiefly is a chick too?
<firefairy_8> mhm
<TGA_whore> fairy...
<TGA_whore> omg did you think he was gay?
<Gixxer> YAY!!!!! 3-some with an orc??????
<firefairy_8> I could have been flamingly gay
* TGA_whore gives the orc a love bite <3
<Gixxer> <<--doesnt judge
<firefairy_8> fire+fairy=super gay
<firefairy_8> I really need a new name
<TGA_whore> really...
<Gixxer> *ow *gixxer pulls his pants back up :)
<TGA_whore> I think your name is cool
<TGA_whore> when were you pants off?
<TGA_whore> I never took off your pants
<Gixxer> just before you bit me.....LOL

Found it! :P

EDIT: BTW, I am the whore if you haven't figured that out.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 03:20:40 AM
oh that reminds me I should post the bed wetting one before I lose it  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 22, 2004, 03:47:53 AM
meh, to this


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 04:03:32 AM
you didnt need to say that.   honeslty you could have just aimed me and said that.  


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 04:09:00 AM
I don't think he wants our "attention".


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 04:13:04 AM
I think he needs a good kick to the head (either one will do :P )


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 04:29:54 AM
HUH?...head...WOW...ok...I think the one w/ a brain would work best.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 04:41:36 AM
we could do both for good measure :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 05:18:38 AM
Which head do you want? :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: Perdition on January 22, 2004, 05:27:51 AM
I'll take the one lacking brains  than again thats not very clear. I call his peepee :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: underruler on January 22, 2004, 06:02:18 AM
LOL  LOL  LOL Finally making that tongue useful eh? :P


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: darkstone331+1 on January 22, 2004, 07:59:50 PM
It is always useful to say meh to all things. And no attacking my head.... I plan on using my brain sooner or later.


Title: a war is what you want huh?
Post by: diskreet on January 22, 2004, 08:07:44 PM
i was hoping this thread would return to the topic.. but i see now that was a foolish thing to hope.

*closed*