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So, I've been having this dilemma in my head whether I'm for gay marriage or against.  I am for civil union for same sex couples, but recently my "friend" called me ignorant for believing what I do.  I'd just like to hear your guys' opinion about the subject.

Reference: how this got started (http://www.livejournal.com/users/luvr_bunnie/59674.html)

Anyway, the guy that commented on the very bottom is my "friend" that I'm talking about.

Now he's being ignorant.  Most religions are against the practice of homosexuality so if they're fucking someone of the same sex they're going against your religion.  If they're against it why would they want to be married under it?  Say they don't care to be married under god or not, than why be married at all?  These days companionship can be kept or broken almost as easily if you're married versus just shacking up.  I just don't see the point unless you want to have kids or you want to have sex without "sinning".  And neither of those really apply to gay people(atleast they shouldn't).

You're right - if a religion is specifically against something, then you can't just pick and choose what you want to agree with - you're either of that religion or you're following something different.

As for whether the Bible is actually against Gay marriage, that's probably all down to interpretation - I've not read anything specifically banning it, but I haven't read the whole thing either.

Its unfair disallowing people who love each other to become married, no matter what race or sex, or in Moles case, breed.

such a person doesnt exist

i have nothing against gar marriage, but i gain nothing from siding, frankly i just dont care. the next stage will be to ask me whether abortion is wrong? of course it isnt, for you morally willed then yes i understand you see them as human beings and having rights, but it is the mothers decision; no one elses.

you cant say its wrong in the eyes of god. if you believe in god you believe god wrote the book of life in which he prophesised all things and all events to come before creating the world. so he created gay people.

though being gay is an abomination to the species, gay people dont procreate so gay people do not add another generation to the species and defeat the underlying purpose of life.


if a man or women wants to marry an animal then so be it, ill just give the same reasons, though i may have somthign to gain.

I completely agree.
But if a religion forbids something then you cannot be in that religion and still do it.
So if gay people want to get married, they cannot do it through the Christian religion.


Abortion as a concept cannot be explicitly right or wrong. Killing innocents is wrong, but killing to save your own life isn't (necessarily).
As for who's decision - it should be that of the mother and father (except in cases of rape).

Yup.
Christians would probably argue that Satan created gay people, and/or that God wanted to create free will.
That is of course a pile of crap, though.

but then it begs the question if god created everything then he must have created satan and having given him the powers to make gay people for a reason, such a vicious circle the bible

i still don't see the problem with gay marriage and frankly i probably never will. They're human and obviously deserve the same rights as everyone else. Denying them this right is discrimination. I agree wholeheartedly with Ripper


And I must say under, i would probably say the same thing that that kid posted if I was in a bad mood because frankly so many people abuse the concept of marriage that it's just a crock now

its less abuse more misconcieve. movies tell us marriage is a wonderful thing where two people get together save each others lives and go down to the church 2 weeks later for a ceremony. whereas in realitly these things should take years, where people should know each other inside out (if you pardon the pun) before tieing the knot

God didn't "create" Satan, nor did he specifically make some people gay.  I think it was their choice, and since we have free will (and are not predestined) they chose that path.

According to the Orthodox (but probably Catholic too) Church, the main purpose of marriage is to create offspring that will continue the faith and serve God.  Since gay couples cannot do that, it is considered unnatural.  Even so, I don't consider gayness a major sin (and no one will be damned because of it), and gay people should be allowed to have civil unions, but NOT marriages.  Yes, I do see a difference in the two.

I don't believe in marriage.

I don't personally care one way or another so long as it doesn't affect me, but on a philosophical level I have to agree with Lanair.  If a relationship can't produce offspring, it isn't natural, and if it's not natural, it's not 'right'.  Maybe I'll say more later if I have time... rushed right now.

nah, according to the catholic church being gay is fine and natural but acting on it is the sin.   It's kind of like how some people are born with physical or mental issues to struggle with gay people have to struggle with not acting on their gayness.  Atleast that's what I was told.    

Yup, which is where the second part comes in: "that God wanted to create free will."

See...


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On the contrary, it could be argued that being gay is entirely natural and right - that producing gay people is the chosen method of some Higher Being to decrease the massive over-crowding problems we currently have on this planet, without resorting to floods & volcanos...

its idealised as a faulty gene and a defect

Yeah, I think that's it.  ;)

But who are we to criticize gay people... I'm sure there are many flaws each person has.  :)  

<quote>I'm sure there are many flaws each person has.</quote>
I only have one flaw. :P

SS, is your one flaw that you under-exagerate your flaws?

No, but I was thinking someone might say that as I went for lunch.

My one flaw is that I'm not yet flawless. :P

it is infact THE most intelligent thing and funniest you have ever said

And that is an achievable goal?   :P

Not absolutely, but for a specific timespan, sure.

dont worry SS theres plenty of time once you hit puberty

Religious arguments against gay marriage stopped being viable the moment marriage became a form of legal binding that confers additional rights and priveleges that unmarried couples do not receive. To deny those priveleges to gay people is discrimatory, no two ways about it.

Now, if gay people could receive those priveleges without being married, per se, that'd be great. Call it something else, just make it the same under law.

how many harsh letters have you written concerning your gay marriage application rejection?

i'm defenitely not agains gay-marriage... live and let live i say, and it's been legal over here in the netherlands for a while now and i never got any problems with it...

also for all the people who said they shouldn't want to be mary because its against the christian faith... well then i ask them people what the christian faith is to them, is that the same thing the pope says? or the child-abusing church people?

i think there isn't just 1 christian faith (altho i do not know much about it, i confess) but every1 experiences it in his/her own way and what if all the U.S. gay people splitt off and created their own faith, similar to you christian people here only that gays are equal to all other people and their relations would be allowed; how could the U.S. law forbid them to marry for the law, if muslims and christians and people with other faith's can... they'll have to re-write the constitution i believe...

opper!! w00t

i had this conversation on another forum before, ...therefore i shall not be participating

but i'll have you know, i'm all for gay marriage

Wow... most of us agree for once!  :D

Opper- that was sooooo... DUTCH!  :P  

they'd cause a war, religious prosecution much like that of the mormons but on a much larger scale. all the homophobes and christians would be up in arms saying how outrageous and blasphemal it is. stupid bastards, cant see beyond their own noses. you can follow blindly a 2000 year old text ffs. if in 4004 the world decides to live by julius ceaser (the play) then rain for 40 days and 40 nights for them.

Not really. I think marriage should be entirely secular. If you want to have a rleigious ceremony, fine, but any religion should not dictate the law. Any couple should be able to marry, because all should be equal..

Fuck it, I'm going to live in France. Secular heaven!

See what I did there? Secular heaven? Teehee. Oh, nevermind..

oh god no france just isnt the answer, but atleast youll be a stones throw from germany

I get it!   LOL

But really, would you want to live in France?  :hehe:  

Ruggy, if you're serious you're dumber than I am.

I'm leaning more towards your thinking, but like I said, I don't believe in marriage.

Whilst were on the topic of prejudice, get a load of this.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...civil_liberties (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041218/ap_on_re_us/muslims_civil_liberties)

mass paranoia produced by over exposure to and from the media

Sweet!  This is a great article for my government class in school (I need to research civil liberties over the next 3 months)... keep finding these!  :)

Oh, and that's really unfair to the Muslims.  <_<  

Hooray America! Yee-haw! Yeeeee-haw! *sounds of shotgun firing into the air*

*finally twigs why rug is wearing stitch clothing, giant buckles and a wide brimmed hat*

Oh, come on.  The British are just as pig-like and racist, except when they're being overly liberal.  :P  

Only the ones which read shitty tabloids such as The Daily Mail or The Sun.
Which (I sincerely hope) is much less than half.

heh

the murdock corporation

On that note, did everyone see that the BNP leader was arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred? I giggled.

Huh?  Is this a British thing?  :miffed:  

Prolly, they have their own language.

british national party