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Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 09, 2004, 05:00:18 AM Fook Yoo Mei Beyao Chii.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm... A guy uses electrical massage on a woman, raises the amplitude, she has an orgasm. He doesn't realize that she died, and he has sex with her. After he finishes, he realizes she's dead, so he massages the heart, gives artifical breathing, and revives her, only to have sex with her again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I had more to post here, but lack of sleep stole it all away... sigh... Maybe some sleep will bring it back Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 09, 2004, 05:02:18 AM Um...that really happened?
Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on March 09, 2004, 05:26:39 AM fun. I like randomness throw some more out there when you get the energy
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 09, 2004, 05:18:55 PM Play a game of Guess What You Ate!
Game steps: 1. One player goes to the bathroom, takes a dump. 2. The rest of the players assemble around the toilet bowl, and takes guesses at what you ate during the few days back. Rules: 1. The $|-|!7 must be your own, and no one else's. 2. Each player can touch, smell, look at the $|-|!7. Can be single-player, as long as you're forgetful. Also playable with fart. Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on March 09, 2004, 05:24:24 PM :blink: yuck
Title: Festering inside me Post by: Arahen on March 09, 2004, 06:15:10 PM hehe thats..yucky yet funny if you forget the yucky ness..
XD you can get free beer and wine at our school play, after it ended.. LOL al those silly drunk people Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 10, 2004, 05:35:51 AM How do you do it w/ farts? I mean the gas is processed through bacteria so it wouldn't smell the same...
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 10, 2004, 05:49:27 AM That's the challenge of it all.
You could light the fart on fire and test if it catches on fire, etc... XD Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 11, 2004, 05:01:37 AM The other day, I downloaded what seemed to be Matrix Revolutions.
Big mistake. With my luck, and how I couldn't manage to get a single working one downloaded on my last 22-34 tries, I should have known. It was a fake, and turned out to be a French pr0n. Oh, the hilarity doesn't stop there. It starts off by showing off 3-4 bottom-less barely-18-looking-but-when-you-see-their-face-they-look-20 girls' pubic areas, complete with a little tuft of pubic hair. Worse: There's a guy that chooses one of the girls, shaves off the little pubic hair that's left of her, and that guy turns out to be a 60-year-ish old man. OH, and the sickness couldn't just stop: Later, a guy that reminds me of Crocodile Hunter goes off having sex with a girl, and his buddy is out in the hall, watching the two go at it. Another girl joins that buddy, and the buddy moves in on her. I won't comment on the girls, it's the buddy that got me sick. The only thing running on my mind when the girl gives that buddy a BJ was: Circumcision. Never noticed it before in my life, and it was horrifyingly sick. Ewwwwww... all that foreskin? No wonder Jews hated the Gentiles long ago. Alright, my rant's over for today. Carry on. Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on March 11, 2004, 05:08:12 AM lmao. what i love is the fact that you watched it after you saw what it was and its weirdness.
I always interpreted it as the jews being hated but I've only seen biased material. Title: Festering inside me Post by: SS on March 11, 2004, 05:09:36 AM It's a two way thing.
And yeah, I was thinking it was odd you he didn't stop when he saw the weirdness. Unless he's just pretending not to like it... Gand? :P Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 11, 2004, 05:42:22 AM Hentai anime numbed down my senses.
It's past liking or hating, it's just words of apathy somehow resembling emotion. Title: Festering inside me Post by: Filran on March 11, 2004, 01:43:20 PM omzzzooor l0lzz gand wthc pr000n looollololzxzzzz!!!!@!!@!@!@!111221
Title: Festering inside me Post by: matt_the_shark on March 11, 2004, 02:52:30 PM :huh:
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 11, 2004, 03:59:21 PM /me shoots tranquilizer darts into Filran.
Well, new rant is about Lineage II. Looks reminiscent of Ragnarok Online, but it has its good sides and bad sides. A beta is a beta is a beta. You're an ass if you have to PAY for something that's still in the testing stages. I've yet to see the game in action, but no matter how good it is, money is only good for the final result. Of course, companies aren't perfect, so patches and things are forgiveable (but things like Blizzard and their 15+ consecutive patches for Diablo 2? questionable)... But it's a freakin BETA! Title: Festering inside me Post by: matt_the_shark on March 11, 2004, 04:02:23 PM that sucks, beta's should be free <_<
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 14, 2004, 12:12:47 PM iiiiiiiitss... 5:57am, do you know where your sanity and consciousness is?
i certainly don't. instead, my head is full of things i wish i could do in barafranca... 1.Make $2million a day without doing a thing! 2.Get a house($1million) for protection! 3.Buy 100,000 bullets! 4.Own a bullet factory and a roulette table! 5.Become a capo! 6.Become a Godfather/First Lady! I'm making good progress towards #1 and #6 (98% to Chief, and currently making 700k from bank interests)... The #2 and #3 will have to wait till I get at least halfway to #1 in bank interests a day... And #4 after achieving #2 and #3... And #5 will be while I get to #1, depending on the family... Oh yes, the ultimate festering. Of game. Of nothing but game. And you know what? Spring break!!!! I get to play all day all night! Wooohooo!!! Title: Festering inside me Post by: matt_the_shark on March 14, 2004, 04:03:34 PM cool. i guess you'll be able to make those goals pretty quickly then :D
Title: Festering inside me Post by: Arahen on March 14, 2004, 05:22:09 PM :( last week i had the spring break thing.. <_< bah
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 22, 2004, 05:59:45 PM it's school time again, and back for more festering!
Hurrah, first test on the first day, and already realizing I have no chance of getting anywhere near a B. Colleges need to screen out people that are better teaching in their native languages than in English. I mean, so many fekkin professors are Chinese or Arabic here, it's not funny anymore. I'd say more about this, but my head ain't spinnin right. Title: Festering inside me Post by: matt_the_shark on March 22, 2004, 10:22:06 PM i havn't had spring break yet...so sad...:(
Title: Festering inside me Post by: RipperRoo on March 22, 2004, 11:07:26 PM Easter end of term in 2 weeks!!!
W00T! 2 Weeks off school! Title: Festering inside me Post by: mole on March 22, 2004, 11:14:28 PM gal if i ever try and come to aa party of yours please kick me out
Title: Festering inside me Post by: RipperRoo on March 22, 2004, 11:44:58 PM Quote gal if i ever try and come to aa party of yours please kick me out That supposed to say "Gand"? Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 22, 2004, 11:49:44 PM who knows...
i know for sure i won't be a transsexual even by accident... if i ever manage to get myself into an AA party, i'm pretty sure i'll be one of the first to crash it... Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on March 23, 2004, 12:05:45 AM transsexual? where did that come from?
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 23, 2004, 01:55:19 AM Quote gal if i ever try and come to aa party of yours please kick me out the "gal" part.i can and have RP'ed as a girl, but i will in no way ACT as a girl IRL. :P guys(including me) sure do act funny when they think you're a girl though XD Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on March 23, 2004, 02:07:35 AM but isnt RPing acting as whatever your RPing? so to be a good RPer you have to act and think like whoever or whatever your rping would(or how you think they would)
Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 23, 2004, 04:18:17 AM Quote W00T! 2 Weeks off school! FUCK you get 2 weeks...bastard I only get one :( Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 23, 2004, 06:03:30 AM Fire, yes, that's true.
But my point is, all that are purely WITHIN a game, not outside. I don't take RP'ing into my RL. Now, if I start blurring the line between in-game and RL, better watch out... Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 23, 2004, 06:52:27 AM Yea that would be weird b/c then there would be a lot of humping Gand.
Title: Festering inside me Post by: RipperRoo on March 23, 2004, 06:35:10 PM Quote FUCK you get 2 weeks...bastard I only get one :( Awww, come live over here with us, compulsary education ends May 13th!!! W00T!!!! Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 24, 2004, 06:31:02 AM Does this mean I can live w/ you?
Title: Festering inside me Post by: RipperRoo on March 24, 2004, 05:59:53 PM We have a spare room... if you pay rent or something...
Title: Festering inside me Post by: mole on March 24, 2004, 07:36:12 PM somthing...
Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 25, 2004, 05:36:52 AM Quote We have a spare room... if you pay rent or something... I dun have a job so that's gonna be kind of difficult. : Title: Festering inside me Post by: FragMaster1972 on March 25, 2004, 06:03:20 AM im sure you could come up with some other arrangements...... *cough* *cough* :D
Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 25, 2004, 06:10:33 AM Are you suggesting that I prostitute myself to him?
Title: Festering inside me Post by: FragMaster1972 on March 25, 2004, 06:23:41 AM :o I would *never* suggest a thing like that!!
;) :P Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on March 25, 2004, 07:02:25 AM Oh really...that's too bad.
Title: Festering inside me Post by: FragMaster1972 on March 25, 2004, 07:28:34 AM though now that you mention it....good idea.
*ships under over to roo* :D Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 25, 2004, 08:16:01 AM Quote [01:53] > 1:53am, do you know where your sanity is? [01:53] > i certainly don't. [01:54] > i lost it somewhere over the atlantic when i was flying with only a fern as my wings. [01:54] <@Fraggy^Happy> i threw it out the window of my car earlier today [01:54] <+underisworking> out somewhere dancing [01:54] <+underisworking> I told it to be back [01:54] <+underisworking> it's past curfew [01:54] <+underisworking> I'm so going to beat its ass [01:54] > i got a midterm exam coming up in about 6hrs, and i have no intention of going to sleep [01:55] > i haven't had proper sleep for the last 18hrs or so [01:55] <+underisworking> O_O [01:55] > and i haven't particularly started studying... [01:55] <@Fraggy^Happy> LOL [01:55] > i'm pretty sure i'm supposed to sign up this week for advisements for course scheduling for fall semester, but i'm not sure if i'll be conscious by then [01:56] <+underisworking> What class? [01:56] > it's just that reality and fantasy seems to be intermixing these last few minutes... [01:56] > any and all [01:57] <+underisworking> so how much humping does this include? [01:57] > i have to check if i got kicked out of this Honors College thing [01:59] > ship-confirm@ amazon.com Re: Your Amazon.com Order [01:59] <@perdition> ooo what did you order? [01:59] > good thing i got insomnia blocking my brain from going into paranoia [01:59] > i have no idea what i ordered [01:59] <@perdition> LOL [02:00] > i don't even remember ordering anything [02:00] <@perdition> oo thats fun [02:00] * perdition goes to poke sleeping dad until he orders stuff [02:02] > am i a sophomore? junior? senior? [02:02] > i really can't tell [02:02] > is this my 2nd year in college? [02:02] <@perdition> LOL [02:02] > uh... [02:03] <@perdition> ussually goes by how many credits yopu have [02:03] <+underisworking> You don't know? [02:03] > let me check my grades and see how many credits/semesters i've taken... [02:03] > how should i know? [02:03] <@perdition> your school should have a website and it should be on there [02:04] > i come back home at 11pm every day that i have classes this semester, i hardly have enough thinking power for surviving processes [02:04] > wait, i guess there's no advisement for junior/seniors... [02:04] <@perdition> how do you do it? [02:05] <@perdition> thats just insane [02:05] > only for freshmen/sophomores [02:05] > what's insane? the 11pm thing? [02:05] > oh it's nothing, i got class at 8:30am on the days i come back home at 11pm [02:05] > i just waver between reality and dreamworld half the time [02:05] > it works [02:06] <@perdition> its still insanse [02:06] <@perdition> *insane [02:07] <@perdition> do you ever sleep? [02:07] > i'm like the elves in LotR, i don't sleep, i waver in a quasi-dream [02:07] > only thing is, i can't walk around while i'm in it [02:08] <@perdition> ..weird [02:10] <@Fraggy^Happy> hm. [02:12] <@Fraggy^Happy> i need more music. [02:13] <+underisworking> Gand...how many classes are you taking? [02:15] > uh, 6? 7? i'm not sure [02:16] > up to half the semester, i'm pretty sure i attended to about half the classes [02:16] <@perdition> I need more music too :( [02:17] > not sure if i should thank the registrar/dean for not letting me register for a purely online course... self-explanatory. Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on March 25, 2004, 08:38:41 AM if you dont bother to read all that it just porves how insane gandy really is. sorry if me calling you gandy bothers you its a phase that will end shortly.
Title: Festering inside me Post by: SS on March 25, 2004, 03:31:48 PM Quote FUCK you get 2 weeks...bastard I only get one Guess who gets three weeks... :angry: Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 25, 2004, 04:01:06 PM whoever that answers yes to that question gets a mouth full of lead. :|
Title: Festering inside me Post by: RipperRoo on March 25, 2004, 06:05:12 PM No prostitution for me thanks.
Mabye we could adopt you or something. Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on March 25, 2004, 07:26:29 PM I dont want a mouth full of lead or anything but I took 5 weeks off without punishment :devil:
i was sopposed to get privledges removed but I made dinner and washed the dishes without being asked to so the parents felt bad about punishing me when I was being so helpful :P Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on March 29, 2004, 07:34:51 PM "I'm a professional singer," yells out a man. He then proceeds to play his guitar and scream out on the roadside in front of a store as people passes by. After a few minutes of torture, the storeowner comes out, reads the cardboard sign that the man has, drops a dollar bill into the guitar case, and goes back in. The "singer" shuts up for 30minutes, and proceeds to play and sing again. An owner from the store next door now comes out, and drops a dollar bill into the guitar case, and so on.
"Will sing, $1 for 30minutes" Title: Festering inside me Post by: smi256 on April 03, 2004, 10:34:01 PM there are some people like that out by Peer 30/31 in San Fran
but those that are good kinda kick the bad player out :P Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on April 20, 2004, 01:27:31 AM The Bank of New York
Ok, so what's it doing here in New Jersey? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nagisa: This tea is unlike any other I've made so far. It has special milk. Hiro: Special...? I look at her ample bosom and open my eyes wide... is what I'm drinking what I think I'm drinking? Nagisa: No, it's not from these... Although if you'd like, fill my **** with your *** every day and I'll do that for you around next year. Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on April 20, 2004, 05:10:05 PM [12:04:17pm] * +GandalfTheOld - Windows XP has been running 26wks 3days 3hrs 27mins Memory Usage: 462/512MB (90.23%) Processor: 1-Intel Pentium 4, 1635MHz, 256KB (42% Load) HDD Free Space: (C: 3099MB/74.5GB) (D: CDROM) (E: CDROM) (G: 4408MB/152.66GB)
[12:04:40pm] <+GandalfTheOld> restarts? updates? this computer don't know the meaning of those words XD 'nuff said ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- some of the words that i first saw in MUDs... Narf! Snarf! Wo. Yeeargh! Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on April 20, 2004, 06:46:04 PM whoah :blink:
Title: Festering inside me Post by: Galmort on April 26, 2004, 04:05:54 AM here is a randomization for you: i'm gay
Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on April 26, 2004, 05:08:09 AM Really?
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on April 26, 2004, 05:48:44 PM nah, that's old. we all know that already ;)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are Japanese players in the American Baseball Leagues. Ok, rephrase that for the technical people, there are Japanese players in the "Major League Baseball(MLB) entity [that is symbolized by the phrases]: Major League, Major League Baseball, MLB, the silhouetted batter logo, World Series, National League, American League..." Which, for anything I'm concerned, is the same as saying Americal Baseball Leagues. How about getting citizenship first before coming over here? Oh wait, rich people don't have to bother with that? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, these are not my originals, but so freakin funny in a morbid kind of way! -> How about having U.S. troops take all the excess blood donated to the Red Cross in the wake of 9/11 and use it to demoralize the fleeing Taliban by dumping it on them from planes, like at the end of Carrie? -------------------------------- (http://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/5462/2h/www.celebrationflags.com/images/bb03wmam.jpg) This fuzzy bear-angel proudly represents the importance of freedom and liberty for all. We weren't sure how the dead bear adds extra importance to the message of freedom and liberty ostensibly represented by just a regular American flag. The most coherent message we could attribute to it was "Dear Foreigner, I'm a proud American, but don't be mad because I'm also a harmless retard." At this point, we were tired of thinking and figured this flag was completely meaningless enough to indicate the war was probably over. So we're back. (http://www.oldmanmurray.com) Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on April 28, 2004, 05:51:56 PM Wonderful, automation has allowed Amazon.com to invite people to look up an underage girl's skirt.
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0679723161.01._PE20_PIdp-schmooS,TopRight,7,-26_SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg) And while I'm on that subject, apparently Guinness also has a record for the "Most Individuals Killed In A Terrorist Attack" at 2823, and has the "Make A Record Attempt" nicely placed for easy access. Who wants to break the 9/11 record? Anyone? Oh, and that just might also trigger/break the "GREATEST DOW JONES FALL", which incidentally occurred on 9/17. Might also want to try breaking the "Bloodiest War", currently held by World War II. Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on April 29, 2004, 05:19:58 PM With full realization that whatever I do online, be it games, arguing, discussing, etc... is of no use...
"Having an argument on the Internet is like the Special Olympics. Either way you're still retarded." But I still have to say something about religion.... Catholics are dumbasses. And in part, Jews. So, I'm not biased into leaning either way. (hah, i'm still a christian tho, just not catholic) Moses' 10 commandments (quoted with not so exact words, but the ideas are important): 1. I am Jehovah your God, and you must not have any other gods before me. The whole concept of "trinity" goes against this principle. There can't be two other entities being of the same God status. 2. Must not take God's name in vain. Well, Jews/Catholics alike went too far in this, removing the very instances of the names from the Bible 3. You must not make images made by man out of wood, iron, precious metals, etc... Uh.... how about the cross, all the statues, paintings, etc decorated up in the churches? Idolatry. .... skipping to: 6. You must not kill. Eh, Catholics, and most so-called Christians, have been siding in either sides of wars during the entire human history... with exception to a minority... I'd be saying more about this but it's just random thoughts. besides i'm at college, and without an actual Bible on hand to get quotes from Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on April 30, 2004, 03:28:14 AM Quote 1. I am Jehovah your God, and you must not have any other gods before me. Ok but if you believe in the Holy Trinity you're not going to hold on part of the trinity up higher than the other parts. Besides, I learned that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are all God. They aren't separate...they are all contained in one. Aren't they? The whole concept of "trinity" goes against this principle. There can't be two other entities being of the same God status. Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on April 30, 2004, 07:27:01 AM The New Encyclopaedia Britannica
Quote Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord' (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since. New Catholic Encyclopedia Quote The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective. The Encyclopedia Americana Quote Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching. John 8:17, 18 by Jesus to the Jewish Pharisees Quote In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me. Need I continue? In short, "trinity" was a pagan idea incorporated into the Roman Catholic teachings long after the original First-Century Christians were gone, it was in no way a part of Jesus' teachings, he never condoned it, he abhorred it. Jesus specified himself as a separate entity from the Father, and never hinted the idea of "trinity". Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on May 01, 2004, 05:03:45 AM I am so confused b/c they taught me Jesus is God only in flesh form.
Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on May 01, 2004, 05:08:10 AM yeah I dont get that. if jesus is god in flesh form then why would jesus pray to god or whatever jesus is god. or maybe they mean like jesus is the god of the humans and god is the god of the gods. like if there were to be a most godly human that would be that jesus guy. so he is still lower than god god but above average humans or whatever. bleh its all nonsense anyways
Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on May 01, 2004, 05:10:00 AM I should read the Bible more but I'm lazy/procrastinative/busy. I mean they should really but some of that stuff in American.
Title: Festering inside me Post by: matt_the_shark on May 01, 2004, 05:15:20 AM Quote Quote 1. I am Jehovah your God, and you must not have any other gods before me. Ok but if you believe in the Holy Trinity you're not going to hold on part of the trinity up higher than the other parts. Besides, I learned that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are all God. They aren't separate...they are all contained in one. Aren't they? The whole concept of "trinity" goes against this principle. There can't be two other entities being of the same God status. Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 01, 2004, 05:50:49 AM I should also note that there are many so-called "Roman Catholics" that deify and worship "Our Lady" with as much or even greater vigor than God himself.
The main point of it all is this: Roman Catholicism is an extreme deviation from the original intentions and teachings of the Bible which Catholics themselves profess to base their beliefs on. There are religions out there that are based solely on the Bible and not on pagan rites, those that are truly pacificistic and non-participant in wars, those that follow Jesus' teachings and be a Good Samaritan... Just that the "general public" has such a negative view of them... oh, wait, I should change that: Just that the "generally accepted religions" have such a negative view of them. What is God if "God" condones and supports death through war? When it all boils down, such a "God" is just a God of death. A God of death, in return, means a world of death, where life is non-existant. What good is a God if there's no life? Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on May 01, 2004, 05:55:13 AM mm you think to much.
i dont think "god" supports death through war. i think people just claim that to make it seem like what they're doing has a good purpose. Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 01, 2004, 06:26:49 AM The questions at the end of the last post was meant as a rhetoric, but oh well....
In other words, the so-called "jihad/Holy War" is a wrong application of religious fervor. Those that truly believe in the Scriptures (whether only a part of it, as the Muslims do, doens't matter) and actually read it would know better than to join in wars, get guns, etc. This, unfortunately, isn't the case with pretty much 99% of the population. "Those that wield the sword die by the sword." On to another topic: I'm turning 21 in August. I haven't drunk any alcoholic beverages in my life, and only consumed foods that contained negligible amounts of alcohol, so I'll say I've never taken in alcohol. Why? 1. Bad example set by my father. 2. I already know how I could become with regular caffeine and sugar. What I don't want to know is what alcohol might do to my head. And I don't have much of any good reason to drink beer/wine either... although every time exam periods like times like these come around, I sometimes wonder... Anywho, if you ever see me in parties, bars, etc. (if ever), you'll be sure to find me avoiding the vodka jellos, shots, and instead be drinking Pepsi and be the designated driver. ;) Title: Festering inside me Post by: Perdition on May 01, 2004, 06:44:19 AM ooo happy early early birthday :)
Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on May 01, 2004, 06:50:52 AM Quote What is God if "God" condones and supports death through war? When it all boils down, such a "God" is just a God of death. A God of death, in return, means a world of death, where life is non-existant. What good is a God if there's no life? So you're saying that if war happens God should not let it happen? Wars are man made...it's our personal shit/issues. Everytime we screw up God's supposed to come down here and say "Play nice children"? That's what Jesus was for. So God could forgive us. Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 01, 2004, 07:01:05 AM No, I meant religion should not take part in wars at all. Priests/Ministers/Religious leaders should not be inviting people to join wars, they shouldn't be preaching that God is supporting one side or another. Whether God actually steps in and intervene, that's a whole different matter.
And as far as those that are involved in wars... about soldiers, I've already said "Those that wield the swords die by the sword"... about politicians, all I'll say is I hope justice will be served for their corruption and problems imposed on their so-called constituents... if not, I'll take comfort in the fact that when you die, you die. You can't take your wealth and position in any kind of afterlife, because you're returning to the dust from which you're made from. Title: Festering inside me Post by: underruler on May 01, 2004, 07:02:54 AM Gand you don't believe in a real afterlife w/ like heaven and stuff? I thought somewhere back there you said you read the Bible or something.
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 01, 2004, 07:12:48 AM Not the kind of "eternal soul"/"heavenly bliss"/etc kinda stuff that most people think of.
Neither "hell"/"purgatory"/etc. The Bible talks of a selected 144,000 that will rule with Jesus in the spiritual world, and of a "great mass" with an earthly hope. Read the Revelations, it's not just about destruction of the world, removal of the evil, etc. that you might think. It promises of a new heaven and a new earth, a world of paradise where the dead will be resurrected and given eternal life without influence of sin, disease, and death. Title: Festering inside me Post by: SS on May 01, 2004, 10:24:45 AM Is the new earth going to be Mars? ;)
under, I read the Bible too, but that doesn't mean I agree with the regular interpretations of it. Title: Festering inside me Post by: RipperRoo on May 01, 2004, 02:05:08 PM Ewww bible talk!
Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 01, 2004, 02:21:10 PM a new earth, not a new planet :P
God intended on spreading paradise all over the earth, according to Genesis, and still is the purpose. Just that the serpent, being manipulated by Satan the Devil, challenged God's authority in being the ruler of all. The dead is dead. There's no such thing as soul, because the Hebrew word for it basically refers to the entire living organism, the life of it, not some vague concept of an invisible force. "...and the man came to be a living soul." (Genesis 2:7) The Bible talks of animals as having soul, the life in other words. (Genesis 1:20, 21, 24, 25) There's no "hell". There's a word that's frequently translated into that, and the word is Gehenna. And that word is used to refer to a valley where the Jewish in Jerusalem used to throw out their wastes and burn them. But never was it used to throw live people in, only the dead if at all. It was the easiest way for Jesus to refer to and talk about complete destruction, about futility of life once you enter it. (Matthews 9:47,48; 10:28) The only punishment for sin is death. (Romans 6:23) The only hope for salvation is by voluntary, repentant faith in God's Kingdom through Jesus' self-sacrifice, and by appropriate action upon that faith. He doesn't force anyone to accept his rulership, he is merely waiting so that as many people as possible could be saved. The Jews were given a chance, just that they as a whole have rejected Jehovah, and that now he is giving chance to the whole world. (2 Peter 3:9; Deuteronomy 30:15-20; Hebrews 10:26,27) Ok. Enough rants for now. Oh, and if you're wondering, I read the Bible itself, and drew my own conclusions from it. If you don't accept the Bible as an acceptable authority, I can't help you, because it probably did save my life multiple times. It has applicable teachings, ones that would do good for people to apply to their lives even if they don't even have faith in any particular organized religion. Title: Festering inside me Post by: SS on May 01, 2004, 03:48:45 PM Quote God intended on spreading paradise all over the earth, according to Genesis, and still is the purpose. Well when's he going to hurry up and do it? I'm fed up with having a motorway outside my window. :PQuote Just that the serpent, being manipulated by Satan the Devil, challenged God's authority in being the ruler of all. Yes. And of course, God decided to punish the serpent, eve and adam for this. Why? Well because how dare they challenge him? Pfft. Hows about he punished them because he's insecure and unable to prove his right to rule.Quote There's no such thing as soul, because the Hebrew word for it basically refers to the entire living organism, the life of it, not some vague concept of an invisible force. "...and the man came to be a living soul." (Genesis 2:7) The Bible talks of animals as having soul, the life in other words. (Genesis 1:20, 21, 24, 25) The soul of an entity being the life of that entity does not disprove that a soul can be an 'invisible force' (I'd prefer better words, but can't think of any right now.) Talking of animals having soul doesn't disprove it either.Quote There's no "hell". There are plenty of hells: Sitting in an exam room, for example.But, yes, there is no big fiery furnace belonging to a red guy with horns and a pointy stick. Quote The only punishment for sin is death. (Romans 6:23) And yet I often wonder why so many blatant sinners thrive, whilst innocents are destroyed?Quote He doesn't force anyone to accept his rulership, he is merely waiting so that as many people as possible could be saved. No, he doesn't force anyone to accept it, yet he kills people who disagree with his rules? Quote It has applicable teachings, ones that would do good for people to apply to their lives Definitely. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." being a good one.Most faiths have similar teachings, if only people would look at the central core and not the peculiar fringes. Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 01, 2004, 11:13:14 PM I already mentioned this, (2 Peter 3:9), but apparently you didn't bother opening it up and reading it :P
Quote Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed by desires all to attain to repentance. Insecurity? He already proved his power and right to authority as creator, and by being able to punish. If he couldn't do either of that, that would have proved his incapability. Besides, Adam and Eve chose to go against God's will and instead chose to "know good and bad" and to be able to decide what's good and bad. They willingly separated from their originator of life, and thus away from eternal life. Separating from eternal life also means the opposite of life, which is disease and death. Since the original parents thought they could rule themselves better than God, God gave them the chance. Which is more justified: giving humans a chance to try out their rule over themselves, or destroying them immediately for their disloyalty? (rhetoric) And when I meant "some vague concept of an invisible force", I meant the concept of "eternal soul". Ezekiel 18:4 : "...The soul that is sinning--it itself will die." You can't bring your wealth into another world, that material wealth means nothing when you die. Punishment for sin is that eternal death, the opposite is reward for loyalty, which is eternal life. Blatant sinners will see eternal death, and never glimpse at eternal life. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- it's been a while since i've been this serious... Title: Festering inside me Post by: SS on May 01, 2004, 11:52:31 PM Quote Besides, Adam and Eve chose to go against God's will and instead chose to "know good and bad" and to be able to decide what's good and bad. If I was given the choice between an eternity as a mindless slave, or a few decades as an independent outcast, I'd choose the latter every time. Especially if I would gain the power to know for certain if my actions were good or bad ones.When you were a young child, and didn't know very much, you probably did some thing that are considered wrong... knocking things over, biting things, throwing food about, etc? Let's say you found a jar of honey, managed to open it, and started spooning it into your mouth... and over your face and the floor. Then your mum and dad walk into the room and see what you've done. Of course, they respond by throwing you out of the house and telling you to live on the streets. All because you were hungry. Of course, that doesn't happen. What they actually do is tell you not to do it, perhaps give you a smack, and preferably explain why you shouldn't do it. That way you learn from the mistake and hopefully don't repeat it in future. Adam and Eve didn't think they could rule better than God. They didn't know right from wrong, so they couldn't know that the serpent was stirring trouble. They trusted the creature because they had no reason not to. God could have given them a second chance before throwing them out. God could have protected the tree so they couldn't eat from it. Or prevented Satan from communicating through the snake. Which reminds me... going off on a little tangent for a bit... I was taught that Satan was a fallen angel, kicked out of Heaven for rebelling against God. Yet Genesis doesn't mention Heaven, and God wouldn't have had messengers before he had anyone to give a message to, so what's the story with Satan's origin? So, God not giving them a second chance means he didn't want to (and/or couldn't), and, for me, the clearest reason for not giving a second chance to someone is insecurity. He was scared that they would see he wasn't a decent ruler; effectively, that he was a shit parent. That's just the way I see it, anyhow, but I'll offer tea and/or hot chocolate to any angel that wants to come and tell me otherwise. ;) Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 02, 2004, 01:24:35 AM Genesis 2:16,17:
Quote "And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: 'From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die." At least in the case of Adam, he was clearly warned prior to the serpent's invitation, and so he had almost EVERY reason NOT to eat it. He knew at least some thing of what's good and bad.And then the serpent comes along and tells the woman, not the man who was warned directly from God about the tree, that even if she eats the fruit she would "positively NOT die." Genesis 3:4 (Which is no cause for gender discrimination, if I might add) Problem with giving second chance is, after the eating thing, there's a whole series of fingerpointing. Adam indirectly blames God for giving Eve, who was the reason why he ate the fruit. "...And the man went on to say: 'The woman whom you gave to be with me...'" Eve indirectly blames God for creating the serpent, who was the reason why she ate the fruit. "...To this the woman replied: 'The serpent--it deceived me and so I ate.'" Thus God is blamed for both creating humans and for creating living organisms. As for why there was even a tree of knowledge of good and bad... Personally, it's one of the mute points since the Bible doesn't mention why. Anywho, at least Adam knew clearly that it was wrong to eat the fruit, and why. So he voluntarily(perhaps reluctantly, but who knows?) chose some other authority than God's, with the emphasis on the fact that he(and Eve) didn't ask God's permission or thought on the matter first. And keep in mind that God actually even walked about back then: "Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day..." (Genesis 3:8) They had no excuse to ask God when he's so near and available for couseling. Well, I see God giving humans a chance to prove themselves right in being able to rule themselves without problems as giving a second chance. If that's not what you're expecting, sorry. If there are humans that decide instead that being under rulership of God is better than under humans, they will be taken under his protection when resurrected; those that remain rejecting that authority will be left to their own ruins. I see that as perfectly fair. (Why should people still receive benefits from an authority they push away?) Besides, you mentioned "mindless slave". Adam and Eve, along with the angels, were given freedom of will, just that there are consequences for particular actions. ___________________________________________________ Quote Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." So heaven did exist.Quote Genesis 1:26 "And God went on to say: 'Let us make man...'" So God wasn't alone... at least by the time he started on creating humans, and had the assistance of others.Jesus, if you accept that he lived in heaven before he came to earth, is also known as the Son of God, would be the first ones that helped God in the creation. The name "Satan" was only given to the fallen angel AFTER he fell, not before when he was still in heaven, evidenced by Jesus' words: "he did not stand fast in the truth." (John 8:44) Since he clearly existed by the time Eve was created, I would assume he even had a hand in creating humans, he saw how God had attention, he wanted that attention, and desired it all. That desire drove him to trick Eve into going against God's authority, and led both Adam and Eve into a certain death, making Satan a "manslayer". Title: Festering inside me Post by: SS on May 02, 2004, 12:27:21 PM Hmmm, fair enough. Still not sure I agree, but I can see the reasoning. :)
Quote Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." I've always taken that as meaning sky & land...Especially with Genesis 1:15 "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years." Quote Genesis 1:26 "And God went on to say: 'Let us make man...'" Talking to the animals he had just created? Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 02, 2004, 02:26:16 PM Well, it *does* say "heavens", not "heaven". So I'd say he created more than one kind of heaven: the material heaven(sky), and the spiritual heaven(the place where God and the angels live).
Probably just a translation peculiarity, though. "Animals"... dunno if it does justice to call spiritual creatures(aka angels) as animals... They spoke, thought on their own, moved about, and helped God in the creation process (although not mentioned directly of their influence, nor of when they were actually created in the creation chronology). A kind of what-if situation: Genesis 1:9 says "Thus Jehovah God made to grow out of the ground... the tree of life... and the tree of the knowledge of good and bad." God only warned Adam that he will die if he eats from the one with knowledge of good and bad, not from the tree of life... Did Adam eat from the tree of life? What was its effects? Or perhaps eternal life was given as long as Adam ate from that tree? We may never know since either Adam chose not to, or that the Bible doesn't mention about it... Title: Festering inside me Post by: SS on May 02, 2004, 03:30:28 PM Hmmm, didn't Adam & many of his ancestors live for hundreds of years each?
Perhaps the Tree of Life is what made that possible? Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 02, 2004, 09:30:50 PM Perhaps.
Warning: Long rant/essay to follow On the topic of eternal life... (kinda influenced a lot by gaming) Immortality... The concept of immortality has been pondered over many times in history... from the Chinese alchemists that experimented with mercury to create the elixir of immortality, to Spanish conquistadores in search of the fountain of youth in South and Central America... and then we arrive at the European idea of sustaining immortality through human blood: vampires. They would be classified under the diverse category of undeads, which would include mummies, ghouls and skeletons. Yet vampires are slightly different in that they would gain their necessary energy through blood, not flesh. Blood is seen valued, the source of life for that organism, and holy, set aside for separate use, by many religions, and therefore has spiritual value instead of just nutrition for vampires. The blood vampires seek are generally of pure virgins, without defilement from outside sources. The logic is this, to be immortal is to live a life indefinitely. A life of indefinite length is of no use without a purpose, any duration without purpose will cause boredom. ("Indefinite life of indefinite length.") A purposeless life is therefore as good as dead, of nonexistence. The sustenance through blood gives vampires a reason to exist, a purpose. Yet taking in another organism's life blood, in other words the existence of that organism, means diluting the vampire's own existence... The whole concept of a vampire's weakness/strength now comes in effect. Through heavy ritualization, traditions, and superstition, a vampire's influence grows. People's fear itself bolsters the existence of the vampire. Yet that brings forth the weakness of such creature: ritualization of religion, which is the chief enemy and competitor for such influence of fear over the people. Thus such superstition as weakness to holy water, sunlight, wooden weapons, the cross, etc. appear. The fact that the people's own imagination and control of fear could work against vampires keep them secretive and underground away from public's eyes. But is such a vampire, one who purely drinks blood for sustenence and for existence, a true immortal? Such a vampire will surely die if one or the other (sustenence or existence) fails to support its life. Therefore, it is merely prolonging its life and existence through acquiring of additional organism's existence. And so, we make a distinction between vampires, and call the ones that don't need blood for sustenence and existence as the True Race, and regular vampires. While regular vampires became one either through human means(experimentation, through genes), or by getting bitten from other vampires, and absolutely require blood in order to remain existing, the True Race do not appear by either means nor do they necessarily need blood. ... more to follow (I've had a cold for a few days now, thank you very much, and I've got finals to worry about... why am I still here?) Title: Festering inside me Post by: GandalfTheOld on May 06, 2004, 07:05:53 PM Sorry for the interruption, but an announcement:
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