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Hey.  I've worked long.  I've worked hard.  I've sweated, toiled, and labored.  I now have 48 Excaliburs.  

That's just what is needed to purchase Level 10 covert.

But my question is, "Is it worth it?"  I'm already sabb-immune.  Level 10 would just let me sabotage more people (something that would come in handy), or more weapons of the same people (also something that would come in handy).  But other than that...

I guess I've also wondered what I can do with these 48 Excaliburs anyway.  Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY that has a lot of money, and who I'd like to attack has JUST more than I have in their DA.  It's REALLY getting on my nerves.  I'll sometimes even run a test attack (1 turn), win, repair, and attack again and get walloped (I think they have something in their equations for a)fatigue or b)surprise or c)both)

Anyways, I'm digressing.  *cough*  Should I sell my 48 Excaliburs, or should I keep building up my SA?

Aran Taur

It's worth it, I believe. At least it has paid off for me.

Other than raising you in the rankings I don't think its worth it. I have citadel and level ten as the only upgrades left. I started buying battle axes with the intent of upgrading but all the people I attack are unsabbable and I like having the high SA so no upgrade for now.

Thanks. :-)  One of the reasons I've thought so hard about doing this is that I've found a guy who looks to be an extremely good farm.  He's got well over 1200 men, he's humans, and up until tonight I could take him on.  His TBG is nearly 100,000 every half hour, and the entire day he purchased knives every hour (Ever single time I look at him he had less than 1,000 gold).  His DA jumped a huge amount, and now his DA and my SA are pretty much the same.  He's still sabbable, but close enough to being unsabbable that i can't get many level niners into his base to sabotage his weapons. :-)  I lost 13 spies this evening to him, and wasted 15 attack turns on him (he finally stopped buying those durned things).

I REALLY want to farm this guy, but it'll be hard without higher CA (I really have no good targets at all, despite my 1Mil+SA. and my frequent surfing and refusal to attack anyone with less than 400K), or without higher SA.

To get higher CA, I need to sacrifice my SA.  There's no way I can compete with him as far as weapon purchases go, though.  Should I give him up and try to find other targets? :)

EDIT:  See?

first
1 hour ago
******
29,915 Gold stolen
1
7
0
883,198
1,011,667
details

second
1 hour ago
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Attack defended
15
11
1
969,421
897,455
details


Now the idiot has almost 700K and I'm out of attack turns.  Otherwise I'd manage to get that gold, if...grrr :)

humans, eh? you tryin to get into TGA? Supposed to only attack orcs less he attacked you first.

No, I've decided not to join.   There are too many humans, elves, and dwarves out there who have a lot of money.  <_<  (though I still am having problems finding many really good ones :))

Unless you could possibly point my way toward some good orc targets.

And besides, then how could I participate in *Cough*[/color] <_<
 

Well there is only one non orc that i attack, but that is only because this guy blatently cheats in the game so i don't mind using his farm accounts as farms for me too =P  But in answer to the earlier question, YES i believe lvl 10 spies are worth it.  If only the fact they allow you to recon easier rather than waste an attack point (and precious repair costs) for those few extra people you can sabb.  Also you can sab that critically needed 2-3 dragonskins if need be on that potential attack.  I would probably wait on upgrading to lvl 10 spies until i get a nice buffer of skins/flaming arrows before i attack tho.  =)

I'm still not convinced. The number of people who are unsabbable seems to be going up quickly. Now around 3300. As you get a larger army the players your size and larger seem to all fall into that catagory. Your right it is cheaper to waste a spy than a number of mercs. but if the spy gets caught you have to waste the mercs anyways.

I would say that in most cases level 10 isn't worth it, but I know that in my case it is, and that those with lots of income invest in it for the glory.

Initially for me, level 10 was necessary because it's between losing 100+ money-making soldiers and losing a few million-worth of dragonskins for sab-immune CA.
I'd rather discard dragonskins than soldiers.

Those people that already have sab-immune CA have far less of a pressing need for spylevel 10. (and the only two valid remaining reasons are: higher CA ranking; better sabbing abilities)

Level 10 is pretty difficult to get in my opinion ~48 skins worth to sell is too steep.
I need a few more men to be immune, men that i should get from unit production but seem to get them every other day
 :angry: Am I the only one who doesn't seem to recieve ther unit production men everyday at the same time?

Right. If you got plenty of soldiers, number of spies isnt really an issue. But when youre small, each soldier amounts to something (around 72k per soldier now until the end of age).

I was considering upgrading to level 10 spies just for the sake of having all upgrades, but I'm already sab immune so I probably won't.

just wonderinghere but if your not joining TGA and you arn't alreadyta member than what are you doin here?

who are you talking to? if u mean Thamior... look at his group, it says TGA members...

I say, get Level 10.  It's worth it.  You'll feel prouder when all those failed recons start showing up.

And man, if that was directed towards me, it sounded a little harsh, kinda like I'm not welcome.

Me?

Basically 'cause I like it here.  Good enough reason?  Thanks.   ;)  

:huh:   .....  :o
People really need to read the posts that are in the *same* thread... (Pokes opperdude)
 <_< You know better than to do something like that. :P

Now, please don't take offense for a simple misunderstanding, Thamior  :miffed:
And Arantor, even if you aren't planning to join TGA, you are welcome in the Great City public forums.

Ok? *shakes hands with everyone*

Gandalf would have been proud of you. :D

Oh good.  I was hoping that wasn't directed towards me.

eeeh... last post by arantor in this thread was more then a week before fire's post... how far should i go back?

Well, it's not exactly like the thread is 250 posts long and encompassing 15+ pages...
It's mere 21 posts (and the last 6-8 of them within a few days)... ;)
But it's all good :)

I think I'm finally going to give in and get level 10 covert. CA is my worst ranking and to get to the three digit rankings I think I need it.

Well, sounds good, especially if the admins eliminate the protective spy-barrier of 140k.  ;)

sry bout that I remember saying that but I don't remember who it was directed to, either way it was rude.  sorry.  :(  people really have to start ignoring me

NOOOO!  If the admins eliminate that barrier, the sabbing will start all over again... and having a whole armoury vanish is not fun.

No, it's all good.  Just a misunderstanding.  Not a big deal at all (especially since I found out it wasn't directed towards me).  LOL  

back 2 topic... lvl 10 is great, especially when your an elve :)

but for someone like me, it's on good.. :( not like I can save that much money to get it anyway

just a question... but why isnt it good 4 someone like you??  :blink:  its good 4 everyone...

It's good if you have the money to spend on it, surely...

But if you focus on your attack or defensive ability, and you're already immune, then it's probably not quite so important.

Not that I can really have an opinion down at the rank I'm on  :(  

pfft som1 on this forum had there def sabbed from 700k+ to 2k thats bad personaly i think that immunisation from spy ranks and training is the best option

mole you never post in here!  are you that desperate for posts?

ive posted here once or twice and its my KoC goal atm and im lvl 8 or 9 atm so i thought id contribute

my opinion is 2 be imune a.s.a.p. and then build defence till ou have enough attack turns... than start attacking and build your attack...

exactly, but i didnt realise this soon enough and now i hafta work really hard to get my spy level up
3mil isnt easy for me to raise

well i dont know your stats but cant you sell off some of your weapons?? i also did that 2 get my citadels,cannons and lvl 10... and look @ my rank now... it will be quite handy in a while... and you will get the weapons back in a week or so...

Filran once bought a few thousand knives, using them as a bank for... something.  LOL  

yea i do that think i have 2400 odd knives atm

i always use dragonskins... but thats me  :D  LOL  but knives can be fun as well.... but you gotta do more math...  

Saving up money and attack turns is something that happens to other people, not to me  <_<  

you play mole? i didn't know that :blink:

I'm currently buying knives for upgrade, right now at 3031. At 1000 per knife the math is easy for figuring out how many you can buy at any time. Also the knives don't influence your ratings much so your not dissapointed when you sell them off.  :D  

i've done that before.  knives are fun!

//throws a couple thousand knives over at a readom orc

and they make great torture weapons too! LOL
 

And when someone tries to spy on you, and sees 3000 of a ? type of weapon...  :D  

well i still dont like using knives...  

I wouldn't buy them to sell either, but it does work.  ;)  

what's the thing about the knives? what r yall talkin about?

buying knives, selling them then 2 upgrade...  

When most people want to upgrade they need to bank gold first, the easiest way to do that is to buy weapons. Although attack values for weapons vary, resale value doesn't 75% of purchase price. Since knives cost 1000 each its easy to figue how many you can buy so many peoply use knives for banking gold.

I've been moving up in ranks a lot lately and a lot of that success can be attributed to training level 10 spies.  If you care about your rank at all, Level 10 covert is essential.  If you don't care about rank, just have enough CA to be immune and stop there.

but how much will my CA (and my rank) climb if i buy lvl 10 spies? anybody got a clue?

I believe your CA doubles.  There's not really any way to tell how much your rank will go up.  Mines just over 1,000,000 and ranked in the 600 range, so you can try and base it off of that.

and that's with how many spies?

800