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61  BPSITE / BPSITE Headquarters / God on: June 29, 2004, 03:26:04 PM
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just to get started and so you can show me your skills with a reaction.

I'll give it my best, which isn't much.


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(a) I think "proof" amounts to subjectivity - i.e. what may be proof enough for one person may not be proof enough for another.  I can name plenty of people who have proved the existence of God to others using arguments/evidences - Alvin Plantinga, C.S. Lewis, William Craig, Richard Swinburne, JP Holding, McDonald, etc.  So, it really amounts to how much proof is needed for a particular individual.  It also depends on the emotional state of the person (very important).  A person who has just experienced something terrible might have a closed mind and heart to any God, which might lead me to believe no argument will ever (or maybe just temporally) be enough.

(b) I like the way you start your number (1) out: "I don't think it's likely that God exists".  That seems to ring with some knowledge of epistemology, which is good.  No man will be able to absolutely prove God either does or does not exist, for that's proving a universal.  What we can do is examine the evidence (which is in abundance) and offer a conclusion based off of that evidence (it's reasonable that God exists even without evidence existing, though).  That conclusion won't be absolute, but more along the lines of "more likely" or "less likely".


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Well, I don't believe condoms are evil LOL  That's pretty radical, I agree.  I don't like it that those in an authorative position use it to make such statements, which aren't true.  It's reminiscient of Hitler claiming to be abiding by God's will by killing off Jews.  That's radical, absurd, and just outright inhumane.  All I can say is to judge whether or not the Bible makes such statements, which these individuals have a problem doing.  Of course they have a problem doing it, because it makes no such statements. Smiley


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This isn't God's fault, but man's fault.  I'm sure you're familiar with a writer by the name of Tolkien (creator of LOTR), well his best friend (the guy who converted him) gave an amazing defense to this.  He said something along the lines of:

'It is men, not God who have produced racks, whips, prisons, slavery, guns, bayonets, and bombs; it is by human avarice or human stupidity... that we have poverty and overwork." (The Problem of Pain, C.S. Lewis, p. 86)

People love to blame bad things on someone else.  This is evident throughout history - crusades, salem trials, 9/11, Hitler, etc.  The cause is just really themselves.


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(a) My, we just met and you think I'm a boring person already. Tongue  Seriously, though, if you don't want to go to Heaven because of the possibility of boring people being there, then that's the joy of free will, I guess.  Personally, if Heaven does exist, I can't wait to meet and talk to people like Tolkien and C.S. Lewis (among others).  I won't be bored at all.

(b) How can you truly be in love with that significant other, if you don't want her anymore?   I found the commandment very inviting even when I was an atheist.  I knew that marriage is a very important step in life and requires time and thought to decide whether or not you truly love this other person enough to share your entire life with her.  If you truly love a woman, you'll want to spend your entire life with her and her alone.  God realizes the importance of this and put it into action.
That's why you have to really give it time and much thought.  If you do, then you'll know for sure if that's the one.  If you don't, then the situation more than likely won't turn out too well.

This isn't just a commandment from God.  Society itself embraces this law.  I think the reason so many people feel the need to be married to one person alone is because of the reasonableness of it.  


May this be a fruitful discussion,

-Spawn
62  BPSITE / BPSITE Headquarters / God on: June 29, 2004, 01:53:47 PM
Lanair referred me to "HQ" to start a thread on apologetics, so I'm guessing I chose the right place.

A short, yet important introduction:

In recent times, there has been a great movement going on in the intellectual community.  That being God.  Even Time magazine devoted an article to the recent rise of God in intellectual circles (actual quote is the second quote in my sig).  Atheists, themselves, (for example, Quentin Smith) admit the smartest philosophers alive today are theistic (God believing) philosophers... and are Christian.  Don't misinterpret me, for this isn't an argument from authority, but is pointing towards the fact that Christianity isn't as irrational as people once thought.  Some great intellects exist in our day and see/defend it as perfectly rational.
Also, pretty much every classical philosophical argument for God's existence has been resurrected and shown valid or logical (even the ontological argument).  Not just philosophical, but also biblical arguments.  These may be introduced in the discussion.


I guess I'll start off with:  Do you guys have any questions you've always wondered concerning the Christian God that you would like to discuss in a friendly way?  So far, I see all of you as very friendly people, so I'm expecting such responses.  It might be a change of environment for me... I'm used to much worse reactions. Wink

Later, guys,

Spawn
63  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Welcome New Recruits on: June 29, 2004, 01:22:30 PM
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so you like discussing with atheists?

Yes, very much.  I've already met one at Dark Throne to discuss some issues with here. Cheesy  
64  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Names... on: June 29, 2004, 01:38:37 AM
fair enough Wink  
65  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Currently I am reading on: June 28, 2004, 01:19:28 PM
Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism by Plantinga
66  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Names... on: June 28, 2004, 01:01:27 PM
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Maybe because you have to apologise for defending him

hehe sometimes I do have to.  
67  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Welcome New Recruits on: June 28, 2004, 12:48:47 PM
Thanks for the welcome.

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how many cookies did he bribe you with?

I wish he would've bribed me with some cookies.  

From what he typed you guys seemed really friendly and not like barbaric warriors, so I followed the link. Smiley  
68  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Names... on: June 28, 2004, 12:45:51 PM
Hey, Matt.  By "apologetics" I don't mean I'm apologizing for anything.  The theological definition is "defending and proving the Christian God".  The term "apologetics" is a bit weird, I know.

Much thanks for that thread you started at Dark Throne about this forum,

-NS
69  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Welcome New Recruits on: June 28, 2004, 12:02:58 PM
Hello everyone.  You'll end up seeing me post over here, so I might as well offer an introduction.

My name is Tim, but I go by "Night Spawn" pretty much everywhere I post.  You may know me (or heard of me), if you're into any type of philosophy/religion/science discussion or debates.  Heck, you might have been lucky enough to experience me doing a hit-and-run on an atheist. Tongue

I decided to post here, because of matt_the_shark's very good recruiting methods, which I read at the Dark Throne board.  He's a very convincing guy. Wink

Well, I guess that's good enough.  Nice to meet you all.

-NS
70  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Names... on: June 28, 2004, 11:48:29 AM
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i want to hear more stories of where people get there names. come on now.

Well, the spawn part obviously stems from me being a fan of Spawn.  I introduced "Night" because in the various forums I post at I'm known as the "late-night-debater" Cheesy ... I stay up all night... every night.  
Also, I wanted a name for my much-loved "apologetic tactics" and didn't want the usual Christian-related names.

Ciao.
71  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Dark Throne's "WarDogs" on: June 28, 2004, 11:37:37 AM
Hey, guys.  I just started at Dark Throne and immediately received an invite to join the "WarDogs" alliance.  Do you guys know anything about this group?  Any information is helpful.

*sorry if I picked the wrong section to post this under*

-NS
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