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76  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 19, 2003, 02:47:49 AM
He goies after Beren because he dare attack the "great" Morgoth.  Beren fights well and has become well known, which makes Morgoth look bad and people fear him less.  Basically, Morgoth is trying to save face.  Plus, he is inherently evil, so will always do the evil thing, not something kind like let him live.

How did you find a first edition?

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All that land was now become filled with evil, and all clean things were departing from it; and
Beren was pressed so hard that at last he was forced to flee from Dorthonion. In time of winter and
snow he forsook the land and grave of his father, and climbing into the high land of Doriath. There
it was put into his heart that he would go down into the Hidden Kingdom, where no mortal foot had
trodden. Terrible was his southward journey. Sheer were the precipices of Ered Gorgoroth, and
beneath their feet were shadows that were laid before the rising of the Moon. Beyond lay the
wilderness of Dungortheb, where the sorcery of Sauron and the power of Melian came together, and
horror and madness walked. There spiders of the fell race of Ungoliant abode, spinning their unseen
webs in which all living things were snared; and monsters wandered there that were born in the long
dark before the Sun, hunting silently with many eyes. No food for Elves or Men was there in that
haunted land, but death only. That journey is not accounted least among the great deeds of Beren,
but he spoke of it to no one after, lest the horror return into his mind; and none know how he found
a way, and so came by paths that no Man nor Elf else ever dared to tread to the borders of Doriath.
And he passed through the mazes that Melian wove about the kingdom of Thingol, even as she had
foretold; for a great doom lay upon him.

LadyofLight
77  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 17, 2003, 02:47:16 AM
The earlier parts are great to but I just find I can place myself in Beren/Luthien/Turin's place better and can feel more emotionally attatched to the characters, though this could simply be because Tolkien developed these stories more.  I mean, proportionately to the amount of time that passes look how long the story of Beren and Luthien alone is.  Many many pages.

Oh, and I first discovered the Silmarillion from my dad's really old copy.  That's the one I sort of wore out so I had to buy another. Cheesy

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Thereafter for four years more Beren wandered still upon Dorthonion, a solitary outlaw; but
he became the friend of birds and beasts, and they aided him, and did not betray him, and from that
time forth he ate no flesh nor slew any living thing that was not in the service of Morgoth. He did
not fear death, but only captivity, and being bold and desperate he escaped both death and bonds;
and the deeds of lonely daring that he achieved were noised abroad throughout Beleriand, and the
tail of them came even into Doriath. At length Morgoth set a price upon his head no less than the
price upon the head of Fingon, High King of the Noldor; but the Orcs fled rather at the rumour of
his approach than sought him out. Therefore and army was sent against him under the command of
Sauron; and Sauron brought werewolves, fell beasts inhabited by dreadful spirits that he had
imprisoned in their bodies.

LadyofLight
78  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 16, 2003, 02:23:17 AM
Of Beren and Luthien is my favorite substory, though running close with The Tale of Turin.

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There Beren buried his fathers bones, and raised a cairn of boulders above him, and swore
upon it an oath of vengeance. First there for he pursued the Orcs that had slain his father and his
kinsmen, and he found their camp by night at Rivil's Well above the Fen of Serech, and because of
his wood craft he came near to their fire unseen. There their captain made boast of his deeds, and he
held up the hand of Barahir that he had cut off as a token for Sauron that their mission was fulfilled;
and the ring of Felagund was on that hand. Then Beren sprang from behind rock, and slew captain,
and taking the hand and the ring he escaped, being defended by fate for the Orcs were dismayed,
and their arrows wild.

Silly orcs.

LadyofLight
79  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 16, 2003, 01:11:43 AM
Yeah, it makes it a little more hard to follow, but I like it that way.  It keeps it from getting boring so you can get more each time you read it as you become more and more familiar with the characters.

Oh, and you should buy (/have bought) the Silmarillion cuz I'm only going over part of it and it is so much better to read it yourself than to get bits and pieces every day, which makes it harder to get into the story.

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In this way the hiding of Barahir was revealed, and Morgoth drew his net about it; and the
Orcs coming in the still hours before dawn surprised the men of Dorthonion and slew them all, save
one. For Beren son of Barahir had been sent by his father on a perilous errand to spy upon the ways
of the Enemy, and he was far afield when the lair was taken. But as he slept benighted in the forest
he dreamed that carrion-birds sat thick as leaves upon bare trees beside a mere, and blood dripped
from their beaks.

Then Beren was aware in his dream of a form that came to him across the water, and it was a
wraith of Gorlim; and it spoke to him declaring his treachery and death, and bade him make haste to
warn his father. Then Beren awoke, and sped through the night, and came back to the lair of the
outlaws on the second morning. But as he drew near the carrion-birds rose from the ground and sat
in the alder-trees beside Tarn Aeluin, and croaked in mockery.

LadyofLight
80  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 14, 2003, 10:20:11 PM
Okay, thanks.  Tongue

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And Gorlim answered that he should find Eilinel again, and with her be set free; for he
thought Eilinel also had been made captive.
Than Sauron smiled, saying: 'That is a small price for so great a treachery. So shall it surely
be. Say on!'
Now Gorlim would have drawn back, but daunted by the eyes of Sauron he told at last all that
he would know. Then Sauron laughed; and he mocked Gorlim, and revealed to him that he had only
seen a phantom devised by wizardry to entrap him; for Eilinel was dead. 'Nonetheless I will grant
thy prayer,' said Sauron; 'and thou shalt go to Eilinel, and be set free of my service.' Then he put
him cruelly to death.

LadyofLight
81  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 14, 2003, 10:09:55 PM
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Just borrowed The Silmarillion today...started reading it and it is INCREDIBLE!!  I've read the trilogy, but I think that this is almost better...

I feel the same way.  I absolutely love it.  This was Tolkien's first love.  He spent twenty years on LOTR; he spent his life on the Silmarillion.  It's what he did first and what he was still doing when he died.

Here's the next installment of SIlmarillion:

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On a time of autumn he came in the dusk of evening, and drawing near he saw as he thought a
light at the window; and coming warily he looked within. There he saw Eilinel, and her face was
worn with grief and hunger, and it seemed to him that he heard her voice lamenting that he had
forsaken her. But even as he cried aloud the light was blown out in the wind; wolves howled, and on
his shoulders he felt suddenly the heavy hands of Sauron's hunters. Thus Gorlim was ensnared; and
taking him to their camp they tormented, seeking to learn the hidings of Barahir and all his ways.
But nothing would Gorlim tell. Then they promised him that he should be released and restored to
Eilinel, if he would yield; and being at last worn with pain, and yearning for his wife, he faltered.
Then straightaway they brought him into the dreadful presence of Sauron; and Sauron said: 'I hear
now that thou wouldst barter with me. What is thy price?'

LadyofLight

P.S. Please don't delete the link to this thread!  Sad  
82  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 14, 2003, 09:11:14 PM
Oh, ok.  Does that mean we won't be able to access it form the city anymore?

LadyofLight
83  The Great Alliance / The Great City / Down again on: September 14, 2003, 08:58:11 PM
Oh, that's the worst, when you  have lots of money and are just about to spend it on something you've been saving for and then it dies and someone steals it all.  It's so fustrating!

LadyofLight
84  BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien on: September 14, 2003, 08:50:23 PM
I don't know if Auron will let this topic stay, but there's been quite a bit of discussion of Tolkien in another topic called Farm Revolts and I thought it might be better to move the discussion here so that thread might be used for, I don't know, a discussion about Farm Revolts.  Also, if they are seperated it might be easier to follow both conversations.  So, here the topic is, and if Auron closes it because he thinks it's too out there, I do apologize to him for the inconvenience of putting up another useless topic that you have to close down, but I did think there was osme interest in the topic.

Lady of light
85  The Great Alliance / The Great City / What's your rank? on: September 14, 2003, 08:27:16 PM
Hm?  I said my covert action was high, not my strike action.  Oh well.

LadyofLight
86  The Great Alliance / The Great City / What's your rank? on: September 13, 2003, 01:00:59 AM
Currently my covert action ranking is around 500. Yay!

LadyofLight
87  The Great Alliance / The Great City / What's your rank? on: September 12, 2003, 02:50:43 AM
Spylevel is expensive, but you'll need it later.  You can't stay in the top ranks with out being sabatoged to nothingness if you don't have decent CA.  I think the best strategy is to simultaneously raise defense and CA.  That way you start to get to keep more of you turn gold and are building a protection fror when CA will eventually make the difference.

LadyofLight

"Among the tales of sorrow and of ruin that come down to us from the darkness of those days there are yet some in which amid weeping there is joy and under the shadow of death a light that endures."
88  The Great Alliance / The Great City / What's your rank? on: September 11, 2003, 07:44:39 PM
I find I like to keep my rank a little lower so as not to attract too much attention,  Somewhere in the 2k-4k range, until I can build up my CA better so I won't get up there just to lose everything.  But my CA rank is #818. Yay!

LadyofLight
89  The Great Alliance / The Great City / most depressing loss on: September 10, 2003, 08:08:48 PM
Good point, I didn't think about the fact that it meant he was hitting a non-orc. SO that does make him naughty.  Nevermind what I said before...

LadyofLight
90  The Great Alliance / The Great City / most depressing loss on: September 10, 2003, 02:38:58 AM
Perhaps shylore just made a mistake and didn't know you were a part of the alliance.  Don't you think we should ask him first?

Oh, and here's my most depressing loss:

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13 hours ago MobbY 119,064 Gold stolen 15 0 1 45,632 25,435 details

Sigh, almost enough for ladders...

LadyofLight
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