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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Pirates
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on: December 17, 2003, 02:20:43 AM
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Have you guys seen PIrates of the Carribean? That movie rocks! Johnny Depp's character so made that movie...
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / LOTR
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on: December 17, 2003, 02:19:11 AM
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22 hours till I get to see ROTK!!!! I'm soooooooooooooooooo excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just saw this cute clip with merry and pippin and gandalf and, and I'm going to stop now before I give away spoilers... ( *psst* like LOTR and/or Elijah pictures and news? check out my website at http://welcometoelwood.100megsfree5.com . I have thousands of pictures, literally!)
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 28, 2003, 03:13:56 AM
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Tolkein did the same with others as well. Ex, Aragorn son of Arathorn. Very similar Then Beren looking up beheld the eyes of Lúthien, and his glance went also to the face of Melian and it seemed to him that words were put into his mouth. Fear left him, and the pride of the eldest house of Men returned to him; and he said: 'My fate, O King, led me hither, through perils such as few even of the Elves would dare. And here I have found what I sought not indeed, but finding I would possess for ever. For it is above all gold and silver, and beyond all jewels. Neither rock, nor steel, nor the fires of Morgoth, nor all the powers of the Elf-kingdoms, shall keep from me the treasure that I desire. For Lúthien your daughter is the fairest of all the Children of the World.' LadyofLight
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 26, 2003, 01:19:58 AM
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I liked smeagol's song, it was rather amusing. Smeagol was one of the best characters in the movie, most definitely. Then Thingol looked upon Beren in scorn and anger; but Melian was silent. 'Who are you', said the King, 'that come hither as a thief, and unbidden dare to approach my throne?' But Beren being filled with dread, for the splendour of Menegroth and the majesty of Thingol were very great, answered nothing. Therefore Lúthien spoke, and said: 'He is Beren son of Barahir, lord of Men, mighty foe of Morgoth, the tale of whose deeds is become a song even among the Elves.' 'Let Beren speak!' said Thingol. 'What would you here, unhappy mortal, and for what cause have you left your own land to enter this, which is forbidden to such as you? Can you show reason why my power should not be laid on you in heavy punishment for you insolence and folly?'
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 25, 2003, 03:10:45 AM
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They were Huorns. Here is my view I posted in another board once: Hello, with all of the talk about whether ROTK will be accurate to Tolkein, etc. I fear I must make a comment of which many diehard LOTR book lovers will hate me for. But first let me say I LOVE Tolkein's books. He was a literary genius. Maybe that will help you understand I do love the book and mean nothing ill by what I'm about to say.
You see, many people believe PJ should have kept the movies strictly to the book, play by play. Well, first I must point out that if he did so, because there is so much that happens, there would be no depth. One of the reasons it probably hasn't won an oscar (though I daresay it deserves it!) is because the in film, deep character depth and psychological understanding of a character is very important. Now, drama is basically a showcase for acting. Movies like A Beautiful Mind are excellent acting. People come away going "Wow, that man is so talented, he completely disappeared into the character." Unfortunately, while this same skill may be applied to fantasy, it is less noticed because a lot of the film is telling just what happened, not what it meant . Now, ELijah is one of those actors who can invoke the ""Wow", but just the events actually take away from getting to really see Frodo as well as in say, a Drama (interesting side thought, what sort of drama would Frodo be in?) Basicallly, what I am trying to say is that if PJ had done TOlkein event for event, we would not have time to know the characters at all and would feel disconnected and would frankly not care what was happenning. It would fail to capture our interest. We NEED to know Frodo in an intimate way that that would not provide. A movie is different than a book, it is not something that can be read over the course of a month when a viewer has time. It has to fit into certain time restrictions, or no one will watch it (perhaps with the exception of people like us ) People expect a book to be more in depth. But that kind of depth just isn't practical in a movie. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say?
So, movies and books are different, what does that mean to diehards like us? What it comes down to is just seperating the movie and film in your mind as entirely seperate entities. Seems difficult? of course, as they both follow roughly the same story. But do you have trouble watching, say, All I Want because it is not like the classic Romeo and Juliet? Of course not. They're entirely different. Well, try and apply the same thing. The movie is so different, just forget it's based on a book while we watch it. Just experience the movie, get lost in it, and don't think about alternate plots, or what they've changed, but what they've created within itself.
I don't know if anyone understands a thing I've saide, but I shall refrain from going on incase I'm boring everyone. If you want me to explain it more I'll try. I just know I've pretty much managed to accomplish this, and I have a passion for both the movie and the book, and neither one upsets me. I left the theater from Two Towers with the same thrill Tolkein's work gives me. There just different, perhaps better suited to their own genres.
Kelsey
LadyofLight
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 24, 2003, 01:41:58 AM
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By the ending being some sad and some happy that does make it more real. I real life, not everyone usually ends up all happy and live happily ever after, but it doesn't usually result in everybody dead either. There's a balance. Also, Frodo falling apart and eventually having to rely on Sam is another example of it being more real. If that were to happen, no one, not even the most innocent little hobbit, could withstand wearing the ring that long. I have other stuff to say, but frankly I'm in the middle of a family crisis and can't think that much. LadyofLight Beyond his hope she returned to him where he sat in darkness, and long ago in the Hidden Kingdom she laid her hand in his. Thereafter often she came to him, and they went in secret through the woods together from spring to summer; and no others of the Children of Ilúvatar have had joy so great, though the time was brief. But Daeron the minstrel also loved Lúthien, and he espied her meetings with Beren, and betrayed them to Thingol. Then the King was filled with anger, for Lúthien he loved above all things, setting her above all the princes of the Elves; whereas mortal Men he did not even take into his service. Therefore he spoke in grief and amazement to Lúthien; but she would reveal nothing, until he swore an oath to her that he would neither slay Beren nor imprison him. But he sent his servants to lay hands on him and lead him to Menegroth as a malefactor; and Lúthien forestalling them led Beren herself before the throne of Thingol, as if he were an honoured guest.
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 23, 2003, 05:03:29 AM
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Or we could talk about any of Tolkien's works. This isn't just a Silmarillion thread. We could talk about LOTR or whatever. Or how about the Tale of Turin and how tragic it is that elves can't escape their own fate?
LadyofLight
P.S. Sorry no quotes, but on different computer.
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 20, 2003, 04:55:42 PM
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Well, the ability to read them linearly does depend on one's love of Tolkien. I am frankly obsessed, and I have read Lost Tales Volume 1 and 2 and am working on the Lay's of Beleriand. Arkanor is right though, it is difficult and many parts are incomplete, that's whay his son made the Silmarillion, a sort of coherent anthology of his father's works. But if you're one of those people who want to know every little detail about Tolkien's Middle Earth, they're awesome, but if you just want to be purely entertained I suggest you pick up LOTR or Silmarillion again. Then the spell of silence fell from Beren, and he called to her, crying Tinúviel; and the woods echoed the name. Then she halted in wonder, and fled no more, and Beren came to her. But as she looked on him, doom fell upon her, and she loved him; yet she slipped from his arms and vanished from his sight even as the day was breaking. Then Beren lay upon the ground in a swoon, as one slain at once by bliss and grief; and he fell into a sleep as it were into an abyss of shadow, and waking he was cold as stone, and his heart barren and forsaken. And wandering in mind he groped as one that is stricken with sudden blindness, and seeks with hands to grasp the vanished light. Thus he began the payment of anguish for the fate that was laid on him; and in his fate Lúthien was caught, and being immortal she shared in his mortality, and being free received his chain; and her anguish was greater than any other of the Eldalië has known. LadyofLight
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 20, 2003, 12:43:35 AM
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Well, I think I might glaze over too if it were pages and pages, but the description of luthien is only a paragraph... The History of middle Earth series is basically the SIlmarillion with less editing by Christopher Tolkien. It's all the info that went into the Silmarillion (plus more that his son cut), but in twelve volumes. You can find them a lot of places, even in safeway, just not usually all at one time. Have you ever heard of The Lost Tales or Lays of Beleriand? Those are part of the series. There came a time near dawn on the eve of spring, and Lúthien danced upon a green hill; and suddenly she began to sing. Keen, heart-piercing was her song as the song of the lark that rises from the gates of night and pours its voice among the dying stars, seeing the sun behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the behind the walls of the world; and the song of Lúthien released the bonds of winter, and the frozen waters spoke, and flowers sprang from the cold earth where her feet had passed. LadyofLight
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 19, 2003, 05:29:04 AM
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It is difficult to read and takes a long time because it takes concentration as every sentence counts. But that's what it is, a condensation of Tolkien's life works: everything he devoted his time and energy to involving middle-earth in one book. If you want more filler, read the History of Middle Earth series, which fills out more. It fills twelve volumes to be exact. But I think only including the sentence that need to be in the story can make it more impactful. All the weaker points have been cut out. It leaves only the more powerful and intense pieces, as well as necessary plot. Plus, in the case of Beren and Luthien and in the Tale of Turin these areas were developed more thoroughly than the rest and have that beautiful detail that made LOTR so wonderful and captivating. I'm not saying it's necessarily better, but perhaps equal, and it's refreshing to read something new when you can't even get a hamburger without hearing about LOTR. I can imagine it for myself, picture in my own mind the moment Beren sees Luthien in the woods and falls in love, I have my own picture of his face, his composure, without it beeing shaped by an existing film. I love LOTR, by I love the Silmarillion perhaps in a more deep manner as it is largely unaffected by all this fluff society has attatched too it. Another Quote: But she vanished from his sight; and he became dumb, as one that is bound under a spell, and he strayed long in the woods, wild and wary as a beast, seeking for her. In his heart he called her Tinúviel, that signifies Nightingale, daughter of twilight, in the Grey-elven tongue, for he knew no other name for her. And he saw her afar as leaves in the winds of autumn, and in winter as a star upon a hill, but a chain was upon his limbs. LadyofLight
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BPSITE / Arts & Literature / Tolkien
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on: September 19, 2003, 05:18:14 AM
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Tolkien likely uses doom instead of fate because it has a darker connotation, and in the end fate really is dark. If you are human, you die. If you are elf your soul is bound to earth for all time, going through all the pain, grief, and loss of this world. So using a word with a darker connotation seems more appropriate. Also, Morgoth didn't back off Beren because he was proud. Beside Eru himself he was the most powerful being in existence, and he didn't think anyone could touch him. The likelihood of Beren's success was so low it really didn't even seem a possibility. The other possibilty is that Beren's potential for power is why he wanted to kill him before he could get any stronger. Also, evil is proud, and it is one of their greatest weaknesses. Morgoth felt impenetrable, and maybe therefore wasn't careful enough as he let Luthien sing instead of killing them both instantly. His pride caused him to let his guard down so to speak. Quote(Yay! My favorite part): It is told in the Lay of Leithian that Beren came stumbling into Doriath grey and bowed as with many years of woe, so great had been the torment of the road. But wandering in the summer in the woods of Neldoreth he came upon Lúthien, daughter of Thingol and Melian, at a time of evening under moonrise, as she danced upon the unfading grass in the glades beside Esgalduin. Then all memory of his pain departed from him, and he fell into an enchantment; for Lúthien was the most beautiful of all the Children of Ilúvatar. Blue was her raiment as the unclouded heaven, but her eyes were grey as the starlit evening; her mantle was sewn with golden flowers, but her hair was dark as the shadows of twilight. As the light upon the leaves of trees, as the voice of clear waters, as the stars above the mists of the world, such was her glory and her loveliness; and in her face was a shining light. LadyofLight
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BPSITE / Geek's Corner / Need php + mysql hosting
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on: September 19, 2003, 04:38:40 AM
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Ah, not quite sure where to get that as I've never needed it. Have you checked out bravepages.com? I know they allow more than just the traditional htm and jpg. I know they allow animations (.swf) and such, as I've used them, but I don't know about php and such. you'd have to check it out.
LadyofLight
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