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title pretty much explains it really...but a word of warning, if you go to see this film, prepare to have your brain clocking in some serious overtime if you wanna catch the subliminal messaging in the film, it comes very thick and very fast, you'd do well to catch it all...either that or lug along your strange philisophical friend...

and yes, it is important to see to exactly what its all about...otherwise it can quickly become a strangely repetetive action film with little meaning to it all...which is proabably why it picked up some less than encouraging reviews...if you don't understand it, it gets really crap really fast...and its pretty hard to understand

without spoiling too much, the ending was slightly disappointing but i understand it was made to tie in with the third film, revolutions...on the subject of which:

NOTE

when the credits come up...WAIT FOR THEM TO FINISH...you will get a sneak preview of the third film...Revolutions for your troubles in waiting for the credits...its worth it...a very cool preview

Woohoo! Going to see Matrix: Reloaded in *looks at clock* four minutes time!

yeah, I stayed to see the preview at the end after some friends told me about them. Only thing I have to say about that is that those credits must have been at least 15 mins long  <_<

Recently I got the whole movie on 2 discs so now I have it on my computer. I have slowly been watching parts of it at school and have been coming to some pretty interesting conclusions about the matrix and other parts of the movie.  :cool:  

Isn't that like... exceedingly illegal?

Not exceedingly, but definitely not legal. :hmmm:

I should be made ilegal, and exterminated for fun.  :blink:  

weeeeeeeh i saw it yesterday, weeeeeeeeeeeh is all i can say about it, didn't stay to watch all the credits tho, needed to go to the bathroom VERY  badly (wouldn't have made it till the end if it lasted 10 min longer :huh: ) well gonna see revolutions anywayz so why bother
(and to everybody who said the movie was 3 hours wasn't it more  like 2 hours and 10 mins or sumthing?)

wooo i saw it also yesterday :)  :)  :) ....it was fun...a bit weird but fun :)  

The movie is about 2h30m I think... a little less than that.

And it didn't have lots of "pseudo-philosophical crap" like a lot of people are saying... that was called a storyline. :hmmm:

yeah I saw it yesterday and it wasn't a very deep movie.  But it was good Neo is a Hottie(with a capital H  ;)  )    I waited after to see the preview, totally not worth it the preview is like 15 seconds long but u have to wait through the 15 minute credits b 4 u can see it.

Damn fine film, I only have 1 bone to pick with it:

[Spoiler]

Tank didnt die FFS!


Other than that, damn good film.

oh i think if you look slightly deeper and analyse individual references in the film....you'll find some philisophical elements...but i doubt many people will do that...

for example...the french guy's comments...why is basicly all this is about, the eventuality of the subject is irrelevant, the understanding of the why is what it life is all about...however do we know why we live?...what is the meaning of life? we don't know...does that mean that human life is irrelevant, that we live and die for no purpose?...or maybe not...

theres quite a few ones like that strewn randomly about the film...but i can't really be bothered to think about them closely...

is anyone watching the Animatrix?...i caught the "second renaissance" yesterday night...well, more like this morning...but those short features are seriously cool

Yep, Seen all of the Animatrix on MTV over the last few weeks, gonna buy em on DVD in June :ph34r:

"The meaning of life" is a non-sensical statement, like saying "the filesize of a pizza", or "the shape of fun", and you cannot (correctly) answer a query where there is no real question.

Unfortunately, unlike computer compilers, Life does not tend to give error messages when we do stupid things. :(

...

Yes SS, Of course SS.... you WANT Error messages?!

The hardest errors to solve are those that say "Haha, you idiot, you screwed up your code, but I'm not going to tell you which line you did it on, nor what was happening when I did it, or even give you any useful information at all!".

Visual Basic gives these sorts of errors... Hmmm. perhaps Life was written in VB. That would explain why it sucked so much. :mellow:

ok then...why do we live?...

instead of picking at a tiny clerical error, maybe you'd like to take a look at the main meaning of my previous post?

but i see you're not really a philosophy kinda guy...more into solid facts and figures...

Why do we live? Duh! Because we were born. :rolleyes:

But I know what you're trying to ask, and I do have an answer, except it doesn't solve anything.
Ignoring as much as possible the restraints of language:
A persons purpose in Life, the reason they live, or the meaning of their life, is unique. Or, at least, most people have different ones. Some people might have something seemingly pointless... perhaps a persons purpose is to pickup a penny, because if they hadn't done that Bill Gates would have walked on it, slipped over and broken his neck, and we'd all be using Linux. (ARGH!!!)
I think a lot of people want to know their purpose, but none of them (or very few) actually need to know it. I believe that if you simply do your best by trying your hardest to do what it feels right for you to do, then you will probably fulfil your reason.

Personally, I simply want to be as good as I can at what I do, whilst causing as much happiness as I am able to. If I do that then I will be happy. If I do half of it then I will be content. If I haven't at least half of it, then I wont die until I have.

oh thats not really a reason...though i can see what you mean, the obvious answer to that is, what feels right for you to do, means nothing in the long run...as you'll soon be dead anyway...

basicly what you're saying is that the purpose of life is to do, whatever you damn well feel like...however, the meaning of life is actually a much simplified question...its actually, why does anything exist?...what purpose does it fulfil?...and its actually the lack of answers thereof that defines the human race...not the knowledge of such answers...which i believe is what the odd french fellow from Reloaded was talking about

>.<

Permission to make a more lighthearted Matrix topic, SIR.

Oh, you mean the purpose of existance, then?

Well, there are several options:

1) BANG!

2) God got bored.

3) If (Math.random == 2.71828182818281828) { Create(); }

4) [[/font]

5)

6) Something else.

Personally I don't believe the first two, but I don't know which of the rest I agree with either.

*waves hand dismissively*

If you must.

Is number 5 supposed to be blank?

And I'm about to go make a the topic What would your Matrix-name be? because I've seen it progress very well in other forums :)

actually, its probably one of those...

but this got me thinking...another thing the person was talking about...since the eventuality is not persistent, it does not matter in the loop on life, what is persistent is the question itself, the why. But since Neo came to him with no why, no understanding of the question itself, he came to the person with nothing...and with no question, there can be no answer

see?...philisophical  :sheep:  

Yes. It indicates that there is no reason... or possibly that we don't exist. :miffed:

But Neo didn't want to know why, he wanted the keymaker? :huh:

<_<  you're ruining my philisophical mood...

except neo didn't know why he was there...he didn't know why he needed the keymaker...he was there because someone told him to be there...which is a terrible reason

y is that terrible

because there's no understanding attatched to it...it is not a why?...it is a response to a command

Actually guys, the reason of life is 42.
It' s a scientifically proven fact and has also found his way into literature.
And for the movie, i was quite dissapointed.
They promised so much and delivered a half-empty box. Especially most of the special effects were crappy.
And yeah, they pounded some philosophical statements in, but that looked really enforced, it didn't fit in.
That is not what a film makes witty. These statements were just supposed to lead Neo from one fight to another. Ridiculous.
The only cool thing about this movie was, that Agent Smith became independent as a virus.
Well, i wanted to make my text more prfound, but my english knowledge wouldn't work it out.


 

Yes. I believe they call it a "storyline" :P

When will people relise that the reason for these films isnt a storyline, its an excuse to kill people in exceptionally cool ways, dammit!

Yeah, but the bad thing about is, that it wasn't quite cool  :(  

Yes it was!

No, in my eyes they got boring after a while.
"I must fight you to ensure you are Neo".
Stupid.

Not Neo, The One... and I've just noticed Neo is an anagram of One. Heh, I wonder if that was intentional, accidental or coincidental.

well get some glasses...XD the fight thing was a random stab at pop culture...meh, if you didn't understand it...

and sience can't answer the meaning of life...because as SS correctly said, the question is unknown...there is no cause, therefore there can be no conclusion...and i believe 42 came from the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy...so um...shut up XD

i really really hope you were joking about that 42 thing...because god help you if you weren't

and there were no philisophical "statements" you were mean to discover them for yourself...if you actually heard someone talking about philosophy in the film...then i suggest you go out and see a non-pirate version of it

dunno...different people watch it in different ways...and people get out of it what they will...so some people will inevitably think its a pile of crap...while others watch it in their own style and think its amazing

megarofl @everous

Do you feel offended? You haven't chosen the gentlest tone...

can't you distinct humour from seriousness ?
i mean: you are seriously telling me that the meaning of life can't scientifically be proven ?
at least i'm relieved that you recognized this as a joke by douglas adams....

and for the philosphy: may i quote YOU from an earlier post ?
Have you ever read Goethe's Faust ? If you are so interested in philosophy, you should read Goethe's Faust.



 

germans...pffff     j/k

ow and i gotta say i appreciate that you wanna be original and stuff, cause like everybody (except for the professional criticisers, cause its their job) says it's a extremely cool :cool: movie

yup...i said that...but you've taken it way out of context...there are philisophical undertones to the movie, but it should not be noticable unless you look for it, it can be enjoyed at different levels, and my point was that you should not feel the effect was "hammered in"

and i can tell humour from serious comments...its just that the wording in your posts aren't exactly top notch O.o

and yes, i don't believe science can tell the meaning of life for reasons stated in my previous post...

offended?...nah not really, maybe you missed the smiles in the text...i was kinda eatin a big bucket of chicken so i couldn't really be arsed to type too well...i just slapped down the first thing i came up with

philisophy?...i've read some Plato...i don't think i got the "inner" message though, maybe because of the translation problems...can't say i'm amazingly interested, its just that i think those elements are very important in the film, which was why i kept going on about it
 

very very long posts you make here Ev, i read them all  :D (sum1 give me a cookie)

well, I kinda saw it two ways. On one hand, you could watch it as a pure fight move, of which it would get really repetative and boring. On the other, you could listen to all the clues that they give you throughout the movie and try to put them together in interpret what they mean. There are many hints and stuff that I see in various parts of the movie, but I think that the only real way to know whats going on is to see the third on in november or whenever its coming out.

i agree with wbhighwind, you could look at both of the ways he said.  personally, i didn't really like the fight scenes, since their movements seemed more realistic when they're supposed to be superhuman.  even having watched the movie twice, i found that the movie is still pretty confusing and technical making you want to see the third movie to find out what happens.  and also the movie has a lot of relegious references, which i didn't really get until my friend explained it to me (i'm not that religious)  :P

also, neo means new, hence the "renewal" of the matrix

whew, that was a pretty long post for me  LOL

Uh, they are still human, they are just able to do anything they can comprehend doing.
Neo's mind is the free-est, so he can comprehend doing the most unreal things, but even he has limits...

Of course it flipping does! It's a move about the [potential] end of the world! :rolleyes:

Heh, and if you take the "new" out of "renewal", you get "real". Freaky! :paranoid:

well, I didnt enjoy the big neo-smith fight scene because being a 3d animator, all of the characters in that fight scene looked too rubbery for me. But I guess that they did pretty good for the time they had and prolly the way they were doing it