Oooh grrr I'm jealous. I'd love having a farm like that, and my SA is eight or nine times yours.

Thanks. :-)  One of the reasons I've thought so hard about doing this is that I've found a guy who looks to be an extremely good farm.  He's got well over 1200 men, he's humans, and up until tonight I could take him on.  His TBG is nearly 100,000 every half hour, and the entire day he purchased knives every hour (Ever single time I look at him he had less than 1,000 gold).  His DA jumped a huge amount, and now his DA and my SA are pretty much the same.  He's still sabbable, but close enough to being unsabbable that i can't get many level niners into his base to sabotage his weapons. :-)  I lost 13 spies this evening to him, and wasted 15 attack turns on him (he finally stopped buying those durned things).

I REALLY want to farm this guy, but it'll be hard without higher CA (I really have no good targets at all, despite my 1Mil+SA. and my frequent surfing and refusal to attack anyone with less than 400K), or without higher SA.

To get higher CA, I need to sacrifice my SA.  There's no way I can compete with him as far as weapon purchases go, though.  Should I give him up and try to find other targets?

EDIT:  See?

first
1 hour ago
******
29,915 Gold stolen
1
7
0
883,198
1,011,667
details

second
1 hour ago
******
Attack defended
15
11
1
969,421
897,455
details


Now the idiot has almost 700K and I'm out of attack turns.  Otherwise I'd manage to get that gold, if...grrr

No, the percentage is always calculated from the base amount.  And no, not too bad.  I routinely attack people with  much higher upgrades than I have.

Yeah, citadel's still worth it, at some point.  

If you're wanting to upgrade to Citadel, and you're going to pay for it by selling dragonskins, it's worth it once you have 372 dragonskins.  Just sell 31, purchase your citadel, and your DA will go from 13,094,400 to 13,094,400 (assuming, of course, that they're all manned by trained professionals ).

SA = 13,094,400 = 2560 * 5 * 372 * (1 + 1.75)
after citadel:
SA = 13,094,400 = 2560 * 5 * 341 * (1 + 2.00)

Citadel costs 5,120,000 gold, right?

Aran Taur

Hey.  I've worked long.  I've worked hard.  I've sweated, toiled, and labored.  I now have 48 Excaliburs.  

That's just what is needed to purchase Level 10 covert.

But my question is, "Is it worth it?"  I'm already sabb-immune.  Level 10 would just let me sabotage more people (something that would come in handy), or more weapons of the same people (also something that would come in handy).  But other than that...

I guess I've also wondered what I can do with these 48 Excaliburs anyway.  Everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY that has a lot of money, and who I'd like to attack has JUST more than I have in their DA.  It's REALLY getting on my nerves.  I'll sometimes even run a test attack (1 turn), win, repair, and attack again and get walloped (I think they have something in their equations for a)fatigue or b)surprise or c)both)

Anyways, I'm digressing.  *cough*  Should I sell my 48 Excaliburs, or should I keep building up my SA?

Aran Taur

Without upgrades:


I'd never buy anything less than the 640 (Steed, if you're humans).  It's a tremendous waste of gold.

Yes, they're worth the gold -- if you have enough weapons.

This is how it works:

SA = WeaponBase * 5 * NumberofWeapons * (1 + TotalUpgradePercent)

So, for 5 Excaliburs and no siege upgrades, it's:

64000 = 2560 * 5 * 5 * (1 + 0)

When you upgrade that the first time, it goes up to 80000 (a 25% increase).  But from here on, you have to calculate what your SA would be *without* upgrades before you can determine how much an upgrade will help you.  Example:

96000 = 2560 * 5 * 5 * (1 + .50)

That's not a 25% gain over 80000, that's a 50% gain over 64000, your base damage.

Therefore, since I now have 45 Excaliburs and Catapults for siege, the next upgrade will definitely be worth it for me:

1,152,000 = 2560 * 5 * 45 * (1 + 1.00)     <-- currently
1,296,000 = 2560 * 5 * 45 * (1 + 1.25)     <-- If I were to upgrade to Siege Towers
1,280,000 = 2560 * 5 * 50 * (1 + 1.00)     <-- If I were to purchase five more Excaliburs

Upgrading to Siege Towers costs 640,000 gold.  Buying five more Excaliburs costs 839,000.

I'll be getting more for my money if I upgrade before I buy more excaliburs.

Hope that helps!
Aran Taur

P.S.  Oh, and every trained soldier without a weapons adds 36 to your SA.  Every untrained soldier without a weapon adds 6 to your SA.  I assume that the same ratio applies to untrained soldiers with weapons, but I've never had them, so I wouldn't know.

:huh: Umph.  And I thought my 800,000's were good.

What I need is some help finding good farms.  I have an SA of 1,100,000, and I'd really like to use it efficiently.  What's odd is that the guy I stole the most money from tonight also had the smallest defense: less than 5,000.

Woohoo rock on!

I took advantage of KOC's downtime by immediately attacking everyone and everybody with money and even though somebody nabbed me before I could spend it all (they turned the armoury off, but still let you attack) and stole 700+K, I now have 16 more Excals, taking me from 27 to 43, and now ranked in the top 3800 for SA.  Just wish it'd take me back up to 550 (my personal record).

Anybody else have success stories?    

44,000 now.  But my SA is ranked 11,000 and my CA is ranked < 2,500.

Aye, one of those random failures.  Annoyed me.  (Ever lost a level9 spy to a fellow with 500 CA? :hmmm:)


Yep, and it was great money while it lasted.


Most definitely.  I had some idiot sabotage 27 Excaliburs :blink:, and I'm kicking myself daily that I didn't save his username. <_< I REALLY want to cream him now that I'm nearly rebuilt and am sab-immune.


Thank you!  :cool:  *bows*


I was just playing around.  I don't think there was a chance anybody'd say yes.  Auron least of all, and he seems to be one of the few who wanted to stop.


Nothing, in my book!  You weren't the one sabotaging me, and I knew that.  And you were very patient ("This is my last warning to stop your attacks. Stop attacking me now and you will not be harmed" -- My version of that message would have been something along the lines of "so long, sucker").

So, guys, everything's fine between Robke and me.  The spy mission was a surprise, but easily passed over.

Now, as for whiteknight...*cough*  just kidding.

Aran Taur

Right now...I think I have about 60 attack turns.  I rarely ever get many...the most I ever got was just a little over 100, and MAN was it fun spending those.  I think I got six excals that day, and I started with just a steed...

And I *try* <_< to resist the temptation to attack unless my target has over 300K gold.

Too bad people don't know how honored they are to be attacked by me...

Aw...robke admitted he'd have sabotaged me if he could, but now we're having a nice friendly conversation together.  Don't spam him too hard!

But if you've got a tuna sandwich...

:huh:  I thought....

:mellow: Wasn't everything reset after age 1?   :hmmm:

:angry:  

How on earth...did he manage to get 80K troops?   :blink:  

Ugh.  This is so annoying.  Robke's got 450,000+ gold.  Just once?  May I?  :hehe: